The Grammys

[doesmusicbest]

Quick question: Why is it that The Grammys can get away with shit like this...

Album Of The Year
(Award to the Artist(s) and to the Album Producer(s), Recording Engineer(s)/Mixer(s) & Mastering Engineer(s), if other than the artist.)

I Am... Sasha Fierce
Beyoncé
Shondrae "Mr. Bangledesh" Crawford, Ian Dench, D-Town, Toby Gad, Sean "The Pen" Garrett, Amanda Ghost, Jim Jonsin, Beyoncé Knowles, Rico Love, Dave McCracken, Terius "The Dream" Nash, Radio Killa, Stargate, Christopher "Tricky" Stewart, Ryan Tedder & Wayne Wilkins, producers; Jim Caruana, Mikkel S. Eriksen, Toby Gad, Kuk Harrell, Jim Jonsin, Jaycen Joshua, Dave Pensado, Radio Killa, Mark "Spike" Stent, Ryan Tedder, Brian "B-LUV" Thomas, Marcos Tovar, Miles Walker & Wayne Wilkins, engineers/mixers; Tom Coyne, mastering engineer
[Music World Music / Columbia]

The E.N.D.
The Black Eyed Peas
Apl.de.ap, Jean Baptiste, Printz Board, DJ Replay, Funkagenda, David Guetta, Keith Harris, Mark Knight, Poet Name Life, Frederick Riesterer & will.i.am, producers; Dylan "3D" Dresdow, Padraic "Padlock" Kerin & will.i.am, engineers/mixers; Chris Bellman, mastering engineer
[Interscope Records]

The Fame
Lady Gaga
Flo Rida, Colby O'Donis & Space Cowboy, featured artists; Brian & Josh, Rob Fusari, Martin Kierszenbaum, RedOne & Space Cowboy, producers; 4Mil, Robert Orton, RedOne, Dave Russell & Tony Ugval, engineers/mixers; Gene Grimaldi, mastering engineer
[Streamline/Interscope/Konlive/Cherrytree]

Big Whiskey And The Groogrux King
Dave Matthews Band
Rob Cavallo, producer; Chris Lord-Alge & Doug McKean, engineers/mixers; Ted Jensen, mastering engineer
[RCA Records / Bama Rags Recordings, LLC.]

Fearless
Taylor Swift
Colbie Caillat, featured artist; Nathan Chapman & Taylor Swift, producers; Chad Carlson, Nathan Chapman & Justin Niebank, engineers/mixers; Hank Williams, mastering engineer
[Big Machine Records]

?

This is the equivalent of The Academy Awards nominating Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen, X-Men Origins: Wolverine, New Moon, Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs, and Inglorious Bastards for Best Picture. That shit would never fly.

Despite the animosity Ants have towards them, they used to be a viable and respected organization. Last rime I checked, The Grammys was THE music awards. From their website...

The recording industry's most prestigious award, the GRAMMY, is presented annually by The Recording Academy. A GRAMMY is awarded by The Recording Academy's voting membership to honor excellence in the recording arts and sciences. It is truly a peer honor, awarded by and to artists and technical professionals for artistic or technical achievement, not sales or chart positions.

How can they even say this after the despicable group of nominees they are putting forth this year?

So I guess what I'm getting at is: What happened? And will it continue to decline in validity like it has, or will The Grammys get their head out of their ass and start recognizing actual music achievements?

[RJP2741]

To make it easy for Teh Davez

[Elliott Evans]

The Grammys are now merely a reflection of just how low the standard of quality in popular music has sunk over the past decade.

[doesmusicbest]

Originally Posted by RJP2741

To make it easy for Teh Davez

They won't win. That is the problem.

[courtzdmb]

Originally Posted by doesmusicbest

They won't win. That is the problem.

Ditto. Some things in life just aren't fair. We should be grateful they are even recognized though.

[DIDriveOut2SPAC]

The voters in the Academy get "taken care of", from music industry "professionals", thats why.

[thestand]

Actually, this is one of the better crops of AOTY nominations they've put up in awhile. DMB, Lady Gaga, Sasha Fierce, and Taylor Swift are all legitimate pop albums, fairly evenly matched. The E.N.D. is the only bad one of the bunch, meaning it'll probably win.

[rickyh24]

I see DMB as the 4th most likely out of that group to win.

[courtzdmb]

I really hope DMB wins just to see the look on everyone's faces when they do.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

"Radio Static" is all that matters to people these days I guess.

[Dancing Ants]

it's kinda funny how when DMB gets dissed at the grammys, everyone bitches about how the grammys are meaningless, etc. then when they're nominated, everyone loves it.

anyway, they all suck. so there.

[haybale97]

Originally Posted by doesmusicbest

Quick question: Why is it that The Grammys can get away with shit like this...



?

This is the equivalent of The Academy Awards nominating Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen, X-Men Origins: Wolverine, New Moon, Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs, and Inglorious Bastards for Best Picture. That shit would never fly.

Despite the animosity Ants have towards them, they used to be a viable and respected organization. Last rime I checked, The Grammys was THE music awards. From their website...



How can they even say this after the despicable group of nominees they are putting forth this year?

So I guess what I'm getting at is: What happened? And will it continue to decline in validity like it has, or will The Grammys get their head out of their ass and start recognizing actual music achievements?

not disagreeing with you, but in a perfect world, give your own nominations that you would be satisfied with

[RJP2741]

ManLady Gaga ftw!

[doesmusicbest]

Originally Posted by thestand

Actually, this is one of the better crops of AOTY nominations they've put up in awhile. DMB, Lady Gaga, Sasha Fierce, and Taylor Swift are all legitimate pop albums, fairly evenly matched. The E.N.D. is the only bad one of the bunch, meaning it'll probably win.

This isn't Best Pop Album though. The group of "more than 150 experts in various fields" that choose the nominees should know better.

[water_into_wine]

Originally Posted by rickyh24

I see DMB as the 4th most likely out of that group to win.

I see them as the 3rd.



I was happy that Mos Def got some recognition as well as MGMT.

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

I also wanna know this in addition to the answers to the questions the OP posed, but ....

How do they decide who gets the awards?

Is there like a panel of prestige judges that decide this? Do other people decide who get these awards? Is it based on album sale? Critic claims? Is it all based on money and politics like usual? Or what?.........

[doesmusicbest]

Originally Posted by haybale97

not disagreeing with you, but in a perfect world, give your own nominations that you would be satisfied with

This is a start... http://antsmarching.org/forum/showthread.php?t=269478

I would take any of these lists over The Grammys' list.

Edit: These also... http://antsmarching.org/forum/showth...=post+pavilion

[doesmusicbest]

Originally Posted by SqueeBaBooSquee

I also wanna know this in addition to the answers to the questions the OP posed, but ....

How do they decide who gets the awards?

Is there like a panel of prestige judges that decide this? Do other people decide who get these awards? Is it based on album sale? Critic claims? Or what?.........

http://www.grammy.com/GRAMMY_Awards/Voting/

[rickyh24]

Originally Posted by water_into_wine

I see them as the 3rd.



I was happy that Mos Def got some recognition as well as MGMT.

I don't think they would win over BEP, Swift, or Gaga. How many singles did the BEP's release this year? I just know every time I looked at a chart it was a different BEP song at #1.

The Rap album category actually looks pretty decent.

[thestand]

Originally Posted by doesmusicbest

This isn't Best Pop Album though. The group of "more than 150 experts in various fields" that choose the nominees should know better.

But it is, though. The album of the year is not going to come from a non-popular genre. The best album of the year might actually be a bluegrass album that 20 people have heard, but it won't be nominated. The album of the year award has always been a popularity contest, and when it's not, it's the ceremony trying to show everyone that it's not just a popularity contest (Hancock, Plant/Krauss).

Album of the year will continually come from the most popular acts of the time, regardless of what genre it actually is.

[thestand]

Using my deductive skills, I see DMB as a legitimate contender. Gaga and Swift are tied for the favorite, DMB behind them, playing the roll of the less-mainstream spoiler. Beyonce and BEP are there on name recognition, and I would assume won't be seriously considered.

If I were to guess further, I'm thinking that one of the two favorite girls will sweep their categories. So if Gaga or Swift are winning everything else they're nominated for, it'll be one of them.

[doesmusicbest]

Originally Posted by thestand

But it is, though. The album of the year is not going to come from a non-popular genre. The best album of the year might actually be a bluegrass album that 20 people have heard, but it won't be nominated. The album of the year award has always been a popularity contest, and when it's not, it's the ceremony trying to show everyone that it's not just a popularity contest (Hancock, Plant/Krauss).

Album of the year will continually come from the most popular acts of the time, regardless of what genre it actually is.

That is my question though. Why?

[rickyh24]

Swift has been a force from what I have seen at award shows this year. I don't see why that would stop now.

[haybale97]

Originally Posted by rickyh24

I don't think they would win over BEP, Swift, or Gaga. How many singles did the BEP's release this year? I just know every time I looked at a chart it was a different BEP song at #1.

The Rap album category actually looks pretty decent.

bep are garbage, obviosly imo, but still, their stuff is boarderline unlistenable

[SqueeBaBooSquee]

Originally Posted by doesmusicbest

http://www.grammy.com/GRAMMY_Awards/Voting/

Oh members of the "Academy" whatever.

[Swizz2007]

I think Taylor Swift is going to win this pretty easily.

[gorgefan36]

This is awesome.

Category 33

Best Rap/Sung Collaboration
(For a Rap/Sung collaborative performance by artists who do not normally perform together. Singles or Tracks only.)

* Ego
Beyoncé & Kanye West
[Music World Music/Columbia]

* Knock You Down
Keri Hilson, Kanye West & Ne-Yo
Track from: In A Perfect World...
[MMG/Zone 4/Interscope Records]

* Run This Town
Jay-Z, Rihanna & Kanye West
[Roc Nation]

* I'm On A Boat
The Lonely Island & T-Pain
Track from: Incredibad
[Universal Republic Records]

* Dead And Gone
T.I. & Justin Timberlake
Track from: Paper Trail
[Grand Hustle/Atlantic]

[water_into_wine]

Originally Posted by rickyh24

I don't think they would win over BEP, Swift, or Gaga. How many singles did the BEP's release this year? I just know every time I looked at a chart it was a different BEP song at #1.

The Rap album category actually looks pretty decent.

I definitely think they would win over BEP.

Agreed. Other than Drake it was pretty good category.

[doesmusicbest]

Originally Posted by haybale97

bep are garbage, obviosly imo, but still, their stuff is boarderline unlistenable

This is basically the opinion of anyone who appreciates music (Which, apparently, isn't The Grammys).

[water_into_wine]

Originally Posted by thestand

Using my deductive skills, I see DMB as a legitimate contender. Gaga and Swift are tied for the favorite, DMB behind them, playing the roll of the less-mainstream spoiler. Beyonce and BEP are there on name recognition, and I would assume won't be seriously considered.

If I were to guess further, I'm thinking that one of the two favorite girls will sweep their categories. So if Gaga or Swift are winning everything else they're nominated for, it'll be one of them.

I think the part most challenging to DMB right now is that they have no other nominations. THey don't have best song in the general or Rock categories and I don't think they will win either of them because of those indicators.