Big Whiskey vs. Shotgun

[CGTP13]

Originally Posted by sean52692

I don't understand how Shotgun is a mess lyrically. Yeah there are some versions that are not perfectly put together, but thats the beauty of it. I dont want it to be some kind of cookie cutter song like all of BW

"Lyrically a mess" was probably not the best way to put it. I just meant it's not very put together lyrically. I don't mind songs that have improvised lyrics (I like 2007 Cornbread) but at some point I want Dave to sit down and write set lyrics to a song and not improvise it all the time.

[canes101190]

Shotgun is easily the most overrated thing on these boards.

[inmytree]

If Shotgun was finished and got some coherence to it, maybe it would have been better than every song on BW. It's got good music; but it was never finished (yet), so we don't know.

[VivaMonkeyMan]

Originally Posted by canes101190

Shotgun is easily the most overrated thing on these boards.

No, that would be Big Whiskey. Easily.

And the poll results back this up.

[CGTP13]

Originally Posted by VivaMonkeyMan

No, that would be Big Whiskey. Easily.

And the poll results back this up.

How is Big Whiskey overrated when at least 1/3 of this board says it sucks/ it's nothing special? People bitch whenever a set has more than 5 Big Whiskey songs. Nobody is saying it's as good as the Big 3. That would be overrating it. Most people put it on the same level as ED and many people say ED is better.

[canes101190]

Originally Posted by CGTP13

How is Big Whiskey overrated when at least 1/3 of this board says it sucks/ it's nothing special? People bitch whenever a set has more than 5 Big Whiskey songs. Nobody is saying it's as good as the Big 3. That would be overrating it. Most people put it on the same level as ED and many people say ED is better.

We might need to have a beer or 8 in Charlottesville.

[coldengrey12]

For me, it would look something like this, all based on how I like them in a live setting:

Shotgun
Why I Am
LITHOG
Seven
Baby Blue
Shake Me
Time Bomb
You & Me
Squirm
Funny
Spaceman
Gator Pie
Dive In

[VivaMonkeyMan]

Originally Posted by CGTP13

at some point I want Dave to sit down and write set lyrics to a song and not improvise it all the time.

You may want to wish on a Death Star for that one...





...the same way I wish for Crazy Easy every night.

[btpeters]

Originally Posted by VivaMonkeyMan

No, that would be Big Whiskey. Easily.

And the poll results back this up.

What? 2 whole votes

[VivaMonkeyMan]

Originally Posted by btpeters

What? 2 whole votes

lol. It was by like 8 earlier. i'm just kind of glad that it's close. Shotgun Awareness is always a good thing.

[Resatka]

To the 19 people who voted yes so far... You're crazy. Shotgun at this point doesn't bring much to the table. It's an extremely underdeveloped song that had a shitload of potential but at the moment it seems like it's gone to waste.

Shotgun is decent and I like it more than a few songs on the album, but I mean do you honestly think it's better than LITHOG? Not a chance in hell. I'd love to see an argument that's actually good as to how and why Shotgun would be even better than that, let alone the whole album

[lockman21]

LITHOG is so extremely overrated it's disgusting. The song is pretty basic with a pretty decent jam at the end. What is so great about it? Average guitar work, etc. Nothing special.

[CGTP13]

Originally Posted by lockman21

LITHOG is so extremely overrated it's disgusting. The song is pretty basic with a pretty decent jam at the end. What is so great about it? Average guitar work, etc. Nothing special.

Jeff and Carter own it live. LITHOG is like Two Step in that the most recent performance is the best one yet.

[inmytree]

Originally Posted by lockman21

LITHOG is so extremely overrated it's disgusting. The song is pretty basic with a pretty decent jam at the end. What is so great about it? Average guitar work, etc. Nothing special.

There are plenty of pretty basic DMB songs that are stellar. And riffs haven't really been a constant part of most of Dave's songs since 1996.

[whygohome?]

Originally Posted by lockman21

LITHOG is so extremely overrated it's disgusting. The song is pretty basic with a pretty decent jam at the end. What is so great about it? Average guitar work, etc. Nothing special.

you could say the same thing about grey street or busted stuff. i personally love the lyrics and the various harmonies in the chorus...also the jam live is superb.

liothog shits all over too much, which people love mostly because it is on crash. if too much was on BW it would be a 'mediocre, overly simple' song.

[lockman21]

Originally Posted by CGTP13

Jeff and Carter own it live. LITHOG is like Two Step in that the most recent performance is the best one yet.

That I completely disagree with. They are all basically the same. Obviously I'm missing something with this song.

Originally Posted by whygohome?

you could say the same thing about grey street or busted stuff. i personally love the lyrics and the various harmonies in the chorus...also the jam live is superb.

liothog shits all over too much, which people love mostly because it is on crash. if too much was on BW it would be a 'mediocre, overly simple' song.

I'm a huge fan of Grey Street. It's in my top 10, truncated or not, so you're not going to win that comparison with me

Most people don't love Too Much from what I've seen over DMB boards over the past 7 or so years. They all can take it or leave it kinda thing, and most people were dying for it to take a break.

I don't think it would be seen as overly simple, considering Why I Am is 10x more simple than Too Much, yet people LOVE that song.

[canes101190]

Originally Posted by lockman21

LITHOG is so extremely overrated it's disgusting. The song is pretty basic with a pretty decent jam at the end. What is so great about it? Average guitar work, etc. Nothing special.

So Spoon, Bartender, and Dreaming Tree must also be "pretty decent" jams because they're basically the same thing.

[hmich176]

No. I rank Shotgun pretty high, but not better than all of BW.

[lockman21]

Originally Posted by canes101190

So Spoon, Bartender, and Dreaming Tree must also be "pretty decent" jams because they're basically the same thing.

Jesus man, I get it. You love BW. If you want to talk, then talk. People have different opinions. Coming in here mocking everything you disagree with is getting pretty annoying.

[whygohome?]

Originally Posted by lockman21

That I completely disagree with. They are all basically the same. Obviously I'm missing something with this song.



I'm a huge fan of Grey Street. It's in my top 10, truncated or not, so you're not going to win that comparison with me

Most people don't love Too Much from what I've seen over DMB boards over the past 7 or so years. They all can take it or leave it kinda thing, and most people were dying for it to take a break.

I don't think it would be seen as overly simple, considering Why I Am is 10x more simple than Too Much, yet people LOVE that song.

why i am and too much are pretty much the same simplicity wise.

[Jan-Willem]

Some people do have a wrong opinion.

[VivaMonkeyMan]

Originally Posted by lockman21

Jesus man, I get it. You love BW. If you want to talk, then talk. People have different opinions. Coming in here mocking everything you disagree with is getting pretty annoying.

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[kittensXLI]

Originally Posted by Jan-Willem

Some people do have a wrong opinion.

Glad you admit your flaws.

[dmbbearcat]

Nothing from BWGK cracks my top 50, but neither does Shotgun. Shotgun in 2006 was good, but everything since then kinda sucks. A bunch of yelling and poor lyrics.

[Resatka]

Originally Posted by lockman21

LITHOG is so extremely overrated it's disgusting. The song is pretty basic with a pretty decent jam at the end. What is so great about it? Average guitar work, etc. Nothing special.

Originally Posted by lockman21

That I completely disagree with. They are all basically the same. Obviously I'm missing something with this song.

This is a pretty bad argument. Decent jam? Pretty basic? Average guitar work? Can you be any more ambiguous? I could probably use those exact terms for any song they "jam out", especially on songs that both you and I love. Tell me, what makes this jam worse than any other jam on another song? Nothing. IF anything, this song is better than a ton of jams they do (especially of late) only because Jeff rips and Carter is actually playing in the pocket for once. I know you're not very big on BW man, but LITHOG is a fucking beast. Do I think it's there best song or anything like that? No, but I do think it's one of the best live songs they're playing right now at this moment.

[Resatka]

Originally Posted by dmbbearcat

Nothing from BWGK cracks my top 50, but neither does Shotgun. Shotgun in 2006 was good, but everything since then kinda sucks. A bunch of yelling and poor lyrics.

What 50 other songs do you like more than LITHOG? Even if I ranked the entire Big 3 in front of it, it still would crack my top 50. Just curious.

[VivaMonkeyMan]

Originally Posted by Resatka

What 50 other songs do you like more than LITHOG? Even if I ranked the entire Big 3 in front of it, it still would crack my top 50. Just curious.

yeah, even with the huge catalog this band has, lithog would be top 50. definitely.

[kittensXLI]

I definitely like all of these A LOT more than Lying In The Hands Of God :
#41
American Baby
Big Eyed Fish
Blue Water
Break For It
Break Free
Captain
Corn Bread
Crazy Easy
Crush
Cry Freedom
Dancing Nancies
Drive In Drive Out
Fool To Think
Grace Is Gone
Grey Street
Halloween
Hello Again
Help Myself
If I Had It All
I'll Back You Up
Jimi Thing
JTR
Lie In Our Graves
Little Thing
Monkey Man
Pig
Rapunzel
Raven
Rhyme & Reason
Say Goodbye
Shotgun
So Right
Spoon
Stolen Away On 55th & 3rd
Sugar Will
The Best Of What's Around
The Dreaming Tree
The Fly
The Idea Of You
The Last Stop
The Space Between
The Stone
Too Much
Tripping Billies
Typical Situation
Warehouse
What Would You Say
What You Are
You Might Die Trying
You Never Know

[TrippinNancies1]

Originally Posted by kittensXLI

I definitely like all of these A LOT more than Lying In The Hands Of God :
#41
American Baby
Big Eyed Fish
Blue Water
Break For It
Break Free
Captain
Corn Bread
Crazy Easy
Crush
Cry Freedom
Dancing Nancies
Drive In Drive Out
Fool To Think
Grace Is Gone
Grey Street
Halloween
Hello Again
Help Myself
If I Had It All
I'll Back You Up
Jimi Thing
JTR
Lie In Our Graves
Little Thing
Monkey Man
Pig
Rapunzel
Raven
Rhyme & Reason
Say Goodbye
Shotgun
So Right
Spoon
Stolen Away On 55th & 3rd
Sugar Will
The Best Of What's Around
The Dreaming Tree
The Fly
The Idea Of You
The Last Stop
The Space Between
The Stone
Too Much
Tripping Billies
Typical Situation
Warehouse
What Would You Say
What You Are
You Might Die Trying
You Never Know

You've got alot of time on your hands, it seems.

[TrippinNancies1]

Originally Posted by Resatka

This is a pretty bad argument. Decent jam? Pretty basic? Average guitar work? Can you be any more ambiguous? I could probably use those exact terms for any song they "jam out", especially on songs that both you and I love. Tell me, what makes this jam worse than any other jam on another song? Nothing. IF anything, this song is better than a ton of jams they do (especially of late) only because Jeff rips and Carter is actually playing in the pocket for once. I know you're not very big on BW man, but LITHOG is a fucking beast. Do I think it's there best song or anything like that? No, but I do think it's one of the best live songs they're playing right now at this moment.

Very well said. I think someone on here said it has Spoon like qualities, and I thought so too.