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Old 02-15-2012, 02:21 PM   #2401
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That's exactly what I needed to know, thank you. I tried a couple of programs, and it really didn't work. Sounds like that masking function in photoshop will be critical.
I would say masking is more critical for landscape shots. For real estate you'll need HDR if you're doing indoor shots during the day (so the windows don't get blown out) or outdoor shots at night (so the lights on the house or the lights inside the windows don't get blown out). Those two scenarios really don't need masking because HDR in general can handle them well. Daytime shots won't need HDR at all unless you're shooting into the sun or something and you have lots of shadows that you need lighter. In that case though you might just be better off doing layering the properly exposed sky from one shot over the properly exposed building in another shot rather than doing HDR.

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    I would say masking is more critical for landscape shots. For real estate you'll need HDR if you're doing indoor shots during the day (so the windows don't get blown out) or outdoor shots at night (so the lights on the house or the lights inside the windows don't get blown out). Those two scenarios really don't need masking because HDR in general can handle them well. Daytime shots won't need HDR at all unless you're shooting into the sun or something and you have lots of shadows that you need lighter. In that case though you might just be better off doing layering the properly exposed sky from one shot over the properly exposed building in another shot rather than doing HDR.
    That's interesting because I tried that exact scenario with a program I found online, and it turned out terrible. I chalked that up to the software, which was a free evaluation version, thankfully.

    The whole HDR thing came up when a competitor offered an upgrade package for HDR... so it's not that I'll always need it, but some agents there are going to expect to see it and know what I'll charge to do it. So I'm just getting my ducks in a row.
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    Old 02-15-2012, 03:43 PM   #2403
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    That's interesting because I tried that exact scenario with a program I found online, and it turned out terrible. I chalked that up to the software, which was a free evaluation version, thankfully.

    The whole HDR thing came up when a competitor offered an upgrade package for HDR... so it's not that I'll always need it, but some agents there are going to expect to see it and know what I'll charge to do it. So I'm just getting my ducks in a row.
    Just for examples, here are some of the HDR real estate shots I did last summer:

    http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...sh-0078HDR.jpg

    http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...sh-0066HDR.jpg

    http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...sh-0030HDR.jpg

    http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...sh-0012HDR.jpg

    Those were done using Photoshop CS5's HDR editor. I always struggle with keeping the saturation under control while also keeping good contrast. I should note that was the first time I had ever done any real estate photography.

    As a comparison, here is the first HDR shot I made using the Nik software:

    http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...w-0009_HDR.jpg

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    Just for examples, here are some of the HDR real estate shots I did last summer:

    http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...sh-0078HDR.jpg

    http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...sh-0066HDR.jpg

    http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...sh-0030HDR.jpg

    http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...sh-0012HDR.jpg

    Those were done using Photoshop CS5's HDR editor. I always struggle with keeping the saturation under control while also keeping good contrast. I should note that was the first time I had ever done any real estate photography.

    As a comparison, here is the first HDR shot I made using the Nik software:

    http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h1...w-0009_HDR.jpg
    That Nik shot is really cool looking.

    But have to admit, I really like the ones above. if I can get anything close to that, I'm good with that.

    Thanks again Ben.
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    Old 02-16-2012, 10:21 AM   #2405
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    Ben, I'm sure you got an amazon update stating that your camera now has a normal ship date. We should have them in march...

    Has anyone shot with the Fuji x100?
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    Old 02-16-2012, 11:33 AM   #2406
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    Ben, I'm sure you got an amazon update stating that your camera now has a normal ship date. We should have them in march...

    Has anyone shot with the Fuji x100?
    Yep, I got that email as well.

    I haven't shot with the x100, but I've heard it's fantastic albeit limiting with no zoom and no way to change lenses. The X-Pro 1 definitely looks interesting too. I definitely like the concept (styling, size, etc.), but they certainly are pricey. If I was the type of shooter that was really interested in Leica, then I would probably be all over this because it's so much cheaper. I just don't have the interest to want to invest in these mirrorless systems though. I'll be more interested once they start putting full frame sensors into them as long as the lenses don't get too large.
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    Snowy Owl pic I shot yesterday. It was an overcast day and we didnt have a lot of time to wait for more interesting light...I am tempted to go back with a rented 600mm to see what I can get. This was shot using my 70-300mm at 300mm, and is pretty heavily cropped, so it isnt a very usable image, but I am glad I got to see them this year!
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    Old 02-16-2012, 08:48 PM   #2408
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    He's got a good look going on in that picture.
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    Old 02-17-2012, 10:26 AM   #2409
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    I posted this on my Facebook, but thought I'd put it here too...

    http://promoshq.wildfireapp.com/webs...tries/43805755

    In case anyone cares, I'm in the top 300 out of 2,300 entries... If my image makes it in to the top 25 by March 29, I'll be in contention to be picked by the judges to win.

    I don't even care about the ipad prize. If I win, I'll give it away to one of the people who "like" my photography facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Matth...38187526281280)

    You can vote for my image once a day!
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    Old 02-17-2012, 10:27 AM   #2410
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    Snowy Owl pic I shot yesterday. It was an overcast day and we didnt have a lot of time to wait for more interesting light...I am tempted to go back with a rented 600mm to see what I can get. This was shot using my 70-300mm at 300mm, and is pretty heavily cropped, so it isnt a very usable image, but I am glad I got to see them this year!
    Very cool looking bird...
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    Old 02-17-2012, 11:09 AM   #2411
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    I voted.
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    Old 02-17-2012, 11:41 AM   #2412
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    Thanks Ben!
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    I voted.
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    Old 02-17-2012, 12:29 PM   #2414
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    Thanks Adam!
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    Old 02-17-2012, 12:30 PM   #2415
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    You got mine Matt.. certainly it's a deserving photo.
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    Old 02-17-2012, 07:19 PM   #2416
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    Very cool looking bird...
    Thanks guys

    I will have to go back to get some more shots. They should be in the area for a few more weeks.
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    Old 02-23-2012, 07:37 AM   #2417
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    I'm starting to feel sorry for Canon users. Have you seen the prices for all of their new products recently? Not only are they way more expensive than previous versions of the product, but they are also now way more expensive than equivalent Nikon products. Here are a few examples:

    Canon 24-70 II: $2,299 ($1,000 more expensive than the previous version and about $400 more than Nikon)
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...f_2_8L_II.html

    Canon 400 f/2.8: $11,499 (something like $4,000 more than the previous version and $2,500 more than Nikon)
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...f_2_8L_IS.html

    Canon 500 f/4: $9,500 ($2,500 more than the previous version and $1,100 more than Nikon)

    Then the rumored 5D Mark III camera is supposedly going to be $3,500 compared to Nikon's D800 at $3,000.
    Canon's rumored 200-400 f/4 lens is supposedly going to cost $10,500 compared to Nikon's version at $7,000.
    Canon's new 1D-X is going to be $6,800 compared to Nikon's D4 that is $6,000.

    That's just a few examples. There are others too.

    For a long time Nikon was always more expensive than Canon, but now all of Canon's new stuff has massive increases in price. I just find it interesting because I can't tell if Canon is gouging their customers or what is going on.

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    It would be interesting to know how these companies price their products and how much they depend on brand loyalty and people becoming locked into a system. No doubt Canon has taken a large share of the pro market because of the 5D Mark II. I wonder if they count on these people not being willing to switch systems when they set their prices... I'm sure they do to some point...

    The D800 will start a new wave of Nikon pro level folks who will purchase Nikor glass and maybe they'll ratchet up the prices of their next lens releases...
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    ^ I am admittedly one of the new wave I mention above... I've been shopping for full-frame pro lenses since I pre-ordered, and I am just trying to work out my desired lens configuration... Wide angle zoom? Upgrade to the 50mm 1.4? Upgrade to the 85mm 1.4 (not likely based on the price difference)?, 135mm AF DC? 70-200 2.8?? Ah! Too many questions to answer!
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    ^ oh yeah, and a wide angle tilt-shift lens too...
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    It would be interesting to know how these companies price their products and how much they depend on brand loyalty and people becoming locked into a system. No doubt Canon has taken a large share of the pro market because of the 5D Mark II. I wonder if they count on these people not being willing to switch systems when they set their prices... I'm sure they do to some point...

    The D800 will start a new wave of Nikon pro level folks who will purchase Nikor glass and maybe they'll ratchet up the prices of their next lens releases...
    Well I know the price of the yen has become a lot stronger over the last couple years and that could have something to do with it. It may be possible that Nikon did a better job hedging against that than Canon did. That's just a guess.

    There are a lot of people who seriously consider and actually go through with switching systems. I mean at this point it's several thousands dollars difference in price between equivalent products for the pro gear, so there is more incentive now than ever to switch systems if anyone is on the fence.

    I really don't know the answer as to why it's happening, but I'm definitely surprised at how aggressive Canon is in their new prices. They aren't just slightly different, they are significantly different.

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    ^ I am admittedly one of the new wave I mention above... I've been shopping for full-frame pro lenses since I pre-ordered, and I am just trying to work out my desired lens configuration... Wide angle zoom? Upgrade to the 50mm 1.4? Upgrade to the 85mm 1.4 (not likely based on the price difference)?, 135mm AF DC? 70-200 2.8?? Ah! Too many questions to answer!
    Oh man, it's such a slippery slope. This is a warning to you. I remember when I first got serious about photography seeing the $1,800+ prices on the pro lenses was almost shocking. I never imagined actually buying one. I think the first one I got was the 24-70mm f/2.8. After seeing how sharp it was and how well-built it was, I knew there was no going back to anything less. You get a pro piece of glass and it spoils you. About a year and a half later (and like 4 more pro pieces of glass later) I was looking at the $5,000 Nikon 300mm f/2.8. After using that for sports it scarily became a no-brainer to think about buying the even bigger glass (400 f/2.8, 500 f/4, etc., I haven't done it). I'm seriously at the point where I'm looking for excuses to get the last couple pieces of glass I really want. It's kind of scary actually...but it's pretty fun too.

    If I made a graph of time vs. money spent on photography, it would be a massive exponential curve going up over time.

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    ^ oh yeah, and a wide angle tilt-shift lens too...
    I'm seriously considering getting one of these. I hope to rent one at some point during the baseball season and see how I can put it to use at games. I really think it will give me some unique photos. Having deep depth of field and being able to keep straight lines straight would be really useful, not to mention more creative things like putting the "miniature effect" to good use.

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    what do you guys think of instagram?
    i know it's "beginner" if that...but the instant photo editing settings are pretty cool.
    i like the "aged" looking settings.

    just wondering if anyone else used it.
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    Yeah Ben, cost is why I'd like to have a good idea of the group of lenses I want before I start purchasing. I don't want to get into a mess where I change my mind after I start buying stuff. I don't think I need the big three zoom lenses, but I'm not sure... Hmmm...

    I use primes most of the time now, so I don't think it would be a problem to do without the 24-70...
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    what do you guys think of instagram?
    i know it's "beginner" if that...but the instant photo editing settings are pretty cool.
    i like the "aged" looking settings.

    just wondering if anyone else used it.
    I love what all the cell phone apps can do, but I think some people use the filters as a crutch. The filters can help make a good photo better, but if the content isnt good, it doesn't matter what you do to the photo, it won't be good.

    That being said, I prefer hipstamatic to instagram. They are both really fun, and I like that they've helped the general public become more interested in photography.

    Users I like in instagram: torogrande, mother423
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    what do you guys think of instagram?
    i know it's "beginner" if that...but the instant photo editing settings are pretty cool.
    i like the "aged" looking settings.

    just wondering if anyone else used it.
    I mess around with it a little bit. It's fun to be able to get different looks out of the phone camera.

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    Yeah Ben, cost is why I'd like to have a good idea of the group of lenses I want before I start purchasing. I don't want to get into a mess where I change my mind after I start buying stuff. I don't think I need the big three zoom lenses, but I'm not sure... Hmmm...

    I use primes most of the time now, so I don't think it would be a problem to do without the 24-70...
    I'm happy to say I don't regret buying any of the lenses I've bought. They all have a purpose and they all do a fantastic job for what they do. I love primes for things that sit still and for their size. The zooms are great for "working" where I don't know what focal length I need and for subjects that move. That being said, either way you can't substitute for the 14-24mm on a full frame camera. If you even remotely like wide angle, that lens will blow your pants off. Super sharp, no wider practical (modern) lens, and the distortion is easy to fix (also basically no distortion when shot at 24mm hence my love for using that lens for panoramas).

    I'm probably strange in this regard, but in my honest opinion for anyone who takes photography even semi-seriously I think zoom lenses of pretty much any kind are really only worthwhile to non-studio working pros. The reason I say that is because zoom lenses are really only useful if you don't have time to switch lenses and you must compose quickly. I'm talking about photojournalists, wedding photographers, and sports photographers mainly. Those types of photographers can't predict what they will be shooting from one second to the next. Their subjects don't stop to wait for them to compose, so they need zooms to make sure they can get a good composition as quickly as possible.

    Of course I realize zooms reduce the amount of lenses you need. I mean if you just want to carry one and only one lens, then yeah you should probably use a zoom. However, it sort of defeats the purpose of a DSLR since it's main strength is the ability to use different lenses.

    So yeah, for you Matt, I wouldn't worry much about the pro zooms unless you shoot a lot of moving subjects and have to do quick compositions. I'm sure you've read or will read plenty of reviews, but if there are any questions you have about any of the lenses I might I have feel free to ask me.
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    Considering I'm trying to make architectural photography my main breadwinner, I think the 14-24 is essential. I'm skeptical about it though because of the awkward shape and size. It seems like the 16-35 would be much easier and functional, and that lens gets rave reviews too...
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    Considering I'm trying to make architectural photography my main breadwinner, I think the 14-24 is essential. I'm skeptical about it though because of the awkward shape and size. It seems like the 16-35 would be much easier and functional, and that lens gets rave reviews too...
    The 16-35 has horrible distortion though. The 14-24 is THE go-to lens for real estate photographers. I'm not sure how much that correlates to architectural photography. I was nervous about that large bulb of glass sticking out, but as long as you're not dragging your camera around by the strap with the lens cover off then it's fine. If architecture is your main focus, then I would have to imagine the 24mm tilt-shift is what you would really need though.
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    Old 02-28-2012, 12:48 PM   #2428
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    The 16-35 has horrible distortion though. The 14-24 is THE go-to lens for real estate photographers. I'm not sure how much that correlates to architectural photography. I was nervous about that large bulb of glass sticking out, but as long as you're not dragging your camera around by the strap with the lens cover off then it's fine. If architecture is your main focus, then I would have to imagine the 24mm tilt-shift is what you would really need though.
    Ah, that's good to know about the distortion... Even though that can easily be corrected in Lightroom, I'd prefer to not have to mess with it all the time. Tilt-shift is great, but might not be practical for my purposes. I shot three projects this weekend, and if one thing was evident, it's that you need to be well prepared before the light gets good, and you need to be able to shoot a lot quickly while the light is good. I feel like tinkering with the tilt of the lens while shooting will just mean 20% less of the shots I need in the can. If I can shoot wide with the 14-24, I can do my tilting in LR in post. Depending on how things go, I may end up with both. My preference would be to use the tilt-shift and make damn sure the shot is great in camera, but reality would dictate that sometimes you need to be able to move faster than that.
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    It's not really possible to fix the tilt in post-production though, is it? I mean with normal lenses if you're shooting a building it will look narrower at the top than the bottom. A tilt-shift lens will keep vertical lines vertical. It's not distortion of course since distortion is basically the lens making straight lines look curved (like the image is stretched out slightly, to fix distortion the software just compresses that "stretch" to make the lines vertical again). So if the image out of the camera with a normal lens has lines that should be vertical going at an angle off toward infinity (both lines are straight still, but the normal lens has the lines going at a slight angle), the only way to make the building look as wide at the top as it does at the bottom is to "stretch" out the top of the building. Maybe I'm missing something, but I thought that was the wonder of using a tilt-shift lens. It keeps those vertical lines running straight up and down in the image instead of putting them at a slight angle.

    The 14-24 still has distortion (any lens that isn't a telephoto will have some of course), but it's an easily fixable distortion for the most part (although at 24mm it's almost non-existant). From what I've heard, the 16-35's distortion is of a more complex form that is not as easily fixable, or at least not as easy as the 14-24's.
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