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Old 02-15-2012, 10:39 AM   #121
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i don't remember seeing travel packages to spac before...is this more for people far away (plane tickets, hotel, etc) or would it be something along the lines of tickets plus camping or hotel?
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    I don't think so cause every show lists premium tickets as an option on the warehouse ticketing page.
    Fair enough, fair enough. Good for DMB. Much rather that money go to them than to scalpers. Of course I'd prefer they make all Warehouse tickets will call with ID, and make the whole bowl warehouse only, but that's a pipe dream.
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    not everyone was into the band way back when the warehouse was created or was even old enough. Its about time they give other fans a chance to be close. I was front row for 4 shows last year.r That made my summer perfect thanks to he GA pit.

    this might be the dumbest thing i've ever heard, sorry.
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    Old 02-15-2012, 10:45 AM   #124
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    right, I meant like if you got pulled over on the way or something. Again, not gonna happen, but it would be hilarious to tell the judge "yeah, it's just so I can get my own damn tickets"
    Oh god no, that fake is only used for one purpose - to get the tickets. It is placed in a second wallet. I learned the hard way not to confuse ID's - do you think I actually TRIED to fool a cop on purpose?

    I forgot to pull the fake out after a liquor store trip about 15 years ago and spent 20 minutes in handcuffs later that night for something entirely unrelated (while I was tripping no less). Once cuffed he pulled out my ID. I spent that time in cuffs sweating like a pig and scared shit before the cop unhooked me and handed my fake back.
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    Old 02-15-2012, 10:50 AM   #125
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    Fair enough, fair enough. Good for DMB. Much rather that money go to them than to scalpers. Of course I'd prefer they make all Warehouse tickets will call with ID, and make the whole bowl warehouse only, but that's a pipe dream.
    Theyre doing that this year. At least for WH GA Pit.
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    Old 02-15-2012, 10:52 AM   #126
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    Theyre doing that this year. At least for WH GA Pit.
    yeah, that's not all warehouse tickets, or the entire lower bowl.
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    Old 02-15-2012, 10:56 AM   #127
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    Oh god no, that fake is only used for one purpose - to get the tickets. It is placed in a second wallet. I learned the hard way not to confuse ID's - do you think I actually TRIED to fool a cop on purpose?

    I forgot to pull the fake out after a liquor store trip about 15 years ago and spent 20 minutes in handcuffs later that night for something entirely unrelated (while I was tripping no less). Once cuffed he pulled out my ID. I spent that time in cuffs sweating like a pig and scared shit before the cop unhooked me and handed my fake back.
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    yeah, that's not all warehouse tickets, or the entire lower bowl.
    That would be ridiculous if they did that. Then no more ticket selling between WH members? I understand you want to limit scalpers, but its going to happen one way or another. Making fans eat tix they already bought if they cant make it to a show would be a travesty.
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    Old 02-15-2012, 11:01 AM   #129
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    How hard is it to know if you can actually go to a show before you buy tickets?
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    Old 02-15-2012, 11:02 AM   #130
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    That would be ridiculous if they did that. Then no more ticket selling between WH members? I understand you want to limit scalpers, but its going to happen one way or another. Making fans eat tix they already bought if they cant make it to a show would be a travesty.
    The not shipping tickets until 10 days before the show didn't stop them. You would have thought that would have hurt because people wouldn't want to wait. They also withheld locations until later that doesn't do anything. You still post before they are shipped so not sure how they think that helps. And people post them on scalping sites so fricking fast and say seat locations later. Amazing. Very frustrating.
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    Old 02-15-2012, 11:02 AM   #131
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    How hard is it to know if you can actually go to a show before you buy tickets?
    things pop up. Family members plan birthdays parties.. There is absolutely no way of possibly knowing if I'm going to have a funeral to go to July 14th.
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    things pop up. Family members plan birthdays parties.. There is absolutely no way of possibly knowing if I'm going to have a funeral to go to July 14th.
    This ^. Plus internships come up, jobs for the people graduating. Not that that's me anymore. I bought tickets to Blossom in 06 not knowing if I would make it or not.
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    I understand when things pop up, but you and I both know that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about people who buy tickets to a dozen or more shows simply because that's what they've always been able to do, because it's been easy to trade/sell them later.
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    Old 02-15-2012, 11:07 AM   #134
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    In short, I'd much rather guarantee with 99% certainty that the lower bowl is all warehouse and no scalped tickets and have those very few people who legitimately did have something unforeseen come up between buying and show date be sadly out of luck, than have the current situation where the aftermarket is much more active than the original market because great tickets are much easier to come by for non-WH members than WH members.
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    We're talking about people who buy tickets to a dozen or more shows simply because that's what they've always been able to do, because it's been easy to trade/sell them later.
    No offense intended but do you really believe people have not figured out a way around this system - like a decade ago? I know of 3 ways that work myself and can imagine others know more.
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    No offense intended but do you really believe people have not figured out a way around this system - like a decade ago?
    Of course they have--that's exactly why I'm saying the system is broken.
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    As for things popping up, allow us the option to pay an extra couple bucks for insurance. I got screwed and had to eat 4 tickets this way in 2010 because I was a day out of surgery.
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    As for things popping up, allow us the option to pay an extra couple bucks for insurance. I got screwed and had to eat 4 tickets this way in 2010 because I was a day out of surgery.
    this would be a good solution; I think that the few people who have something pop up aren't enough to make the lower bowl all warehouse but with will call/ID a bad idea.
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    Of course they have--that's exactly why I'm saying the system is broken.
    I do not believe so but perhaps I am more honest than some - to an extent. I have never, and will never request a show to trade tickets. I have, however, requested tickets for a friend for a show I was not attending and had that friend do the same for me. There no intent to scalp or trade extras going on at all in that setup and believe me, I choose my friends well - I trust them all implicitly not to abuse the system and jeopardize ANY account.
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    I do not believe so but perhaps I am more honest than some - to an extent. I have never, and will never request a show to trade tickets. I have, however, requested tickets for a friend for a show I was not attending and had that friend do the same for me. There no intent to scalp or trade extras going on at all in that setup and believe me, I choose my friends well - I trust them all implicitly not to abuse the system and jeopardize ANY account.
    I don't see anything morally wrong with that, but I think that's just as much gaming the system as trading. Don't misread me-I'm all for gaming the system, but I still think it's gaming the system.
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    I don't see anything morally wrong with that, but I think that's just as much gaming the system as trading. Don't misread me-I'm all for gaming the system, but I still think it's gaming the system.
    Honestly, I might feel guilty about this (morally speaking) if the WH didn't screw over senior members every chance they get since 2003 to get a few extra bucks in their pockets. 15 years of membership should count for something and for the first 5 years it did and I was happy making my own requests. Now, I am just as likely to get declined or given lawn seats with a first day account. They have taken away what I paid for so I have no problem working the system to get the best seats I can.
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    The warehouse doesn't give a fuck about seniority anymore; this isn't a new revelation
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    The warehouse doesn't give a fuck about seniority anymore; this isn't a new revelation
    I don't think anyone would disagree with that. They have not cared at all since summer 2002 tour. Doesn't make it any less frustrating though considering when we all joined it was supposed to make a difference. They keep marginalizing us in favor of attracting new members and selling higher priced ticket packages. Every change they make will reinvigorate the pissed off members.
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    Honestly, I might feel guilty about this (morally speaking) if the WH didn't screw over senior members every chance they get since 2003 to get a few extra bucks in their pockets. 15 years of membership should count for something and for the first 5 years it did and I was happy making my own requests. Now, I am just as likely to get declined or given lawn seats with a first day account. They have taken away what I paid for so I have no problem working the system to get the best seats I can.
    Oh, I agree completely. My whole proposal regarding making all lower bowl seats Warehouse and all Warehouse tickets will call/ID is wholly contingent on seniority reigning (and I don't even have seniority anymore because I have let my membership laps like 5 or 6 times because there just isn't any benefit to it).
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    Fair enough, fair enough. Good for DMB. Much rather that money go to them than to scalpers. Of course I'd prefer they make all Warehouse tickets will call with ID, and make the whole bowl warehouse only, but that's a pipe dream.
    That's fine if they wanted to take money from scalpers and put it in their pocket. But, not every close ticket was purchased through a scalper.
    So, to the fan like me who could pull good seats via the WH and never paid more than face or sold more than face, I'm screwed unless I'm willing to suddenly add a few hundred dollars to those same seats.

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    How hard is it to know if you can actually go to a show before you buy tickets?
    This has happened to me 3 times in the past.
    Twice because the person going with me has decided not to go (though both times I just went either solo or with a group of 'strangers.') and once b/c of a medical emergency. It can happen. Overall, I like the will-call idea, but I'd prefer some flexibility if something out of your control happens.

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    As for things popping up, allow us the option to pay an extra couple bucks for insurance. I got screwed and had to eat 4 tickets this way in 2010 because I was a day out of surgery.
    Like this - either insurance or some general understanding if there's enough notice that they can resell the tickets.

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    I do not believe so but perhaps I am more honest than some - to an extent. I have never, and will never request a show to trade tickets. I have, however, requested tickets for a friend for a show I was not attending and had that friend do the same for me. There no intent to scalp or trade extras going on at all in that setup and believe me, I choose my friends well - I trust them all implicitly not to abuse the system and jeopardize ANY account.
    I'll be honest that I've requested shows knowing I was never going - I would request shows for my sister if I couldn't go with her. Obviously, I didn't sell them over face, but I never saw this as any different than the hordes of other people that request them for trades or request them for friends, etc.
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    I'll be honest that I've requested shows knowing I was never going - I would request shows for my sister if I couldn't go with her. Obviously, I didn't sell them over face, but I never saw this as any different than the hordes of other people that request them for trades or request them for friends, etc.
    Listen, like I said, I'm all for gaming the system. But at least be cognizant that that's what you're doing.

    Envision the warehouse as waiting in line. You're 12th in line. You've been waiting for three hours. The guy in 2nd place grabs a bullhorn and says "whoever gives me the most money can have my spot in line." Somebody who just got there and hasn't been waiting ponies up 300 dollars and takes that guy's spot in line.

    The guy in 15th place in line says "I don't even really want to go this show, but I want to go the Gorge. Is there anybody who is willing to wait for 3 hours in line at the gorge in exchange for my spot in line?" Again, some dude who just got there and hasn't waited in line says "sure" and hops in that guy's place.

    Now, you're 12th. You didn't really want to go to the show either, but your sister did. So you give her your spot in line. Hey, at least you didn't scalp them, and it's pretty much the same as trading, right?

    Well, I'm 20th. And it doesn't matter to me whether you sold, traded, or gave away the tickets. In all three cases, some stranger who hasn't put in the time to wait in line just got ahead of me in line.

    Point being, you can tell yourself that it's better because you didn't sell the tickets, so it's all hunkey-dorey, but if view the warehouse as a way of rewarding loyalty (ha!!), it's all the same.
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    In all three cases, some stranger who hasn't put in the time to wait in line just got ahead of me in line.
    I believe I can speak for all early WH members in saying 'THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SCREAMING FOR A DECADE!!!!' We HAVE put in the time AND money yet people who have been members for 10-15 years less than us have the exact same shot at the good seats. Basically, according to the way this fanclub was initially pitched to us all the newer members have jumped us in line.
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    I believe I can speak for all early WH members in saying 'THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SCREAMING FOR A DECADE!!!!' We HAVE put in the time AND money yet people who have been members for 10-15 years less than us have the exact same shot at the good seats. Basically, according to the way this fanclub was initially pitched to us all the newer members have jumped us in line.
    Oh, I agree completely. Again, the entire argument for will call/ID for warehouse is premised upon seniority actually meaning something. As long as it doesn't, it should continue to be a free for all.
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    and YNK - I am sorry if it seems I am singling you out. I only respond to posts I think warrant some input and yours have definitely made me think a bit. I certainly mean no offense, your posts just provide me something worthwhile to respond to while killing time.
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    I don't even really think we have a fundamental disagreement. I know we both agree that ticketing should be based on seniority completely, or at least vastly more so than the current structure.
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