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[RSSR]

Dave, Carter, and LeRoi doing their own things by themselves all would've achieved some form of success, but no where near what DMB together has achieved.

Then again, Dave did pick up songwriting tips from Peter Griesar, and probably some from LeRoi, additionally.

I don't have to ask how Peter Griesar would've done, but in his defense, he didn't want the notoriety.

[KevinTH]

The only person that had really achieved any notable success at that point, and may have continued on that path, was Carter. At some point he played kit for some backing band on BET. Beyond that, Boyd and Roi were in their own bands and popular in the Charlottesville area. However, I'm not confident that Secrets or The Boyd Tinsley Band would have gone much further than where they already were. And we all know that Dave was only a bartender when he introduced himself to Carter and Roi.

What made all of them successful was a combination of things. Perfect yet weird blend of personalities and instruments, solid management and marketing, hard work and determination, and great music. In my eyes they all won the lottery when they formed. We have living proof of what the band would sound like if one member were no longer a part of it. With the passing of Roi the band's sound changed immensely. So look at this in reverse, and what if Dave never meets Carter and Roi to kick things off? Or there was no violin on Tripping Billies because Roi wasn't there to suggest Boyd play on it (hold on the Boyd jokes - there was a day when he was on top of his game)? Maybe Dave would have found some other people to play with and would have been successful, but I'd lean towards not, or at least not to the degree of success he reached.

Dave has a unique songwriting ability and a unique guitar style, but without Carter Beauford behind him taking things to new heights, or the strange mixture of saxophone and violin I don't know how his songs would stand out in the way they do now. On top of that, they are all contributing members to the songwriting. Sure, most of the time Dave comes up with the initial song for them to build off of, but without those perfect elements and contributions from Boyd, Roi, Stefan and Carter the songs don't stand out and become what they have. One of the biggest contributing factors to their success is that they WERE so strange and different, but they also played well live. On top of that, a lot of songs never would have been written if it weren't for the 5 of them. Drive In Drive Out is a great example. Without Carter that song never happens. Dave once said that he wrote that song for Carter to go nuts on. Granted Dave's songs speak for themselves now, but without the push of his 4 buddies, he may not have become the songwriter he became. Throw in that bizarre mixture of people and instruments and those songs take on a whole new life.

Either way, they met, they meshed, they got famous and now here we are talking about them day after day. Being the fan I am, I'd say we all won the lottery, as I don't know what life would be like without their incredible music in it.

[ToySoldier#34]

Sold post, John D'Earth should get some credit too for the addition of Stefan and pushing Dave to develop his ability to have great song intros

[RSSR]

It is ridiculously bonkers hard to create songs that become hit songs. Dave has dozens of times done that with us, so maybe if he was in another band with different line-up of band mates, he might still have achieved fame and success, maybe to a lesser degree that he has DMB. People with Dave's ear for melodies and his almost completely original take of the rhythmic acoustic guitar don't come along that often, and are in fact quite rare in the grand scheme of things.

There are lots people of people every bit as good as Tim Reynolds working in guitar shops all over the country, they just never found a person with Dave's talents.

[KevinTH]

Originally Posted by RSSR

It is ridiculously bonkers hard to create songs that become hit songs. Dave has dozens of times done that with us, so maybe if he was in another band with different line-up of band mates, he might still have achieved fame and success, maybe to a lesser degree that he has DMB. People with Dave's ear for melodies and his almost completely original take of the rhythmic acoustic guitar don't come along that often, and are in fact quite rare in the grand scheme of things.

There are lots people of people every bit as good as Tim Reynolds working in guitar shops all over the country, they just never found a person with Dave's talents.

What you said about Tim can be said about Dave too. There are thousands and thousands of amazing songwriters all over the world that you and I will never hear. It's not because they're not good, but because the right formula wasn't in place. Dave's songs are great, but how would Ants Marching or Satellite sound with a completely different backing band? Those are great songs but with a more straight forward basic drummer, no sax and violin, those songs change completely. If that were the case then Dave could have gone completely unnoticed because the people backing him didn't do anything to make the songs more interesting. Without the other 4 original members there is no Big 3. It's the collaboration of all of them that made them what they are today.

[ToySoldier#34]

I think the thing I like the most about Dave's songwriting, when he is at his peak anyway, is that he comes up with melodies and ties together different rhythms in a way where it is interesting regardless of the format it is being played in. I've always thought his songs sound so full when it's just him playing them, I listen to his solo stuff constantly but was reminded of this ability again when Sweet Briar came out. The band absolutely helps add dynamics to the songs and they have gotten to where they are because they compliment each other so well, but when the songs are in their most basic form it's amazing to me how complete they are.

[misschung]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

I think the thing I like the most about Dave's songwriting, when he is at his peak anyway, is that he comes up with melodies and ties together different rhythms in a way where it is interesting regardless of the format it is being played in. I've always thought his songs sound so full when it's just him playing them, I listen to his solo stuff constantly but was reminded of this ability again when Sweet Briar came out. The band absolutely helps add dynamics to the songs and they have gotten to where they are because they compliment each other so well, but when the songs are in their most basic form it's amazing to me how complete they are.

It's incredible to sort of listen to his music in reverse, if you will. When I hear him play solo, in my mind I can hear the other instrumental parts because I'm so familiar with them. It's the same, to a lesser extent, when he plays with Tim. But when you realize the fullness that's already there before any of the other instruments are added in, it really is incredible.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by misschung

It's incredible to sort of listen to his music in reverse, if you will. When I hear him play solo, in my mind I can hear the other instrumental parts because I'm so familiar with them. It's the same, to a lesser extent, when he plays with Tim. But when you realize the fullness that's already there before any of the other instruments are added in, it really is incredible.

Absolutely, I do wonder sometimes if stuff like the One Sweet World intro was taught to him by Tim but the stuff Dave has come up with is pretty crazy. Not crazy hard, just creative and full. The entire Two Step jam is playing around with one chord.

[KevinTH]

Both really cool points. I just think it happened the way it was supposed to. I'm not a big "everything happens for a reason" type thinker, but what ever happened to get those 5 guys together (not including Peter Greisar) was perfect in so many ways.

[bartender_man]

Originally Posted by KevinTH

The only person that had really achieved any notable success at that point, and may have continued on that path, was Carter. At some point he played kit for some backing band on BET. Beyond that, Boyd and Roi were in their own bands and popular in the Charlottesville area. However, I'm not confident that Secrets or The Boyd Tinsley Band would have gone much further than where they already were. And we all know that Dave was only a bartender when he introduced himself to Carter and Roi.

What made all of them successful was a combination of things. Perfect yet weird blend of personalities and instruments, solid management and marketing, hard work and determination, and great music. In my eyes they all won the lottery when they formed. We have living proof of what the band would sound like if one member were no longer a part of it. With the passing of Roi the band's sound changed immensely. So look at this in reverse, and what if Dave never meets Carter and Roi to kick things off? Or there was no violin on Tripping Billies because Roi wasn't there to suggest Boyd play on it (hold on the Boyd jokes - there was a day when he was on top of his game)? Maybe Dave would have found some other people to play with and would have been successful, but I'd lean towards not, or at least not to the degree of success he reached.

Dave has a unique songwriting ability and a unique guitar style, but without Carter Beauford behind him taking things to new heights, or the strange mixture of saxophone and violin I don't know how his songs would stand out in the way they do now. On top of that, they are all contributing members to the songwriting. Sure, most of the time Dave comes up with the initial song for them to build off of, but without those perfect elements and contributions from Boyd, Roi, Stefan and Carter the songs don't stand out and become what they have. One of the biggest contributing factors to their success is that they WERE so strange and different, but they also played well live. On top of that, a lot of songs never would have been written if it weren't for the 5 of them. Drive In Drive Out is a great example. Without Carter that song never happens. Dave once said that he wrote that song for Carter to go nuts on. Granted Dave's songs speak for themselves now, but without the push of his 4 buddies, he may not have become the songwriter he became. Throw in that bizarre mixture of people and instruments and those songs take on a whole new life.

Either way, they met, they meshed, they got famous and now here we are talking about them day after day. Being the fan I am, I'd say we all won the lottery, as I don't know what life would be like without their incredible music in it.

That's actually a pretty good post outside of the bolded.

[KevinTH]

Originally Posted by bartender_man

That's actually a pretty good post outside of the bolded.

To clarify, I meant solid management and marketing in the early years. Capshaw's approach to getting the band exposure was rather on point. Nowadays it's all about money and business. It is a business now, so I get it, but there are certainly things they can be doing better. However, they have been getting much better with Live Trax releases, so that's a plus.

[Dramageek]

Originally Posted by KevinTH

To clarify, I meant solid management and marketing in the early years. Capshaw's approach to getting the band exposure was rather on point. Nowadays it's all about money and business. It is a business now, so I get it, but there are certainly things they can be doing better. However, they have been getting much better with Live Trax releases, so that's a plus.

They actually seemed to have a great plan in place when Cap$haw initially started working with them. Him giving the band weekly shows at Trax and Flood Zone helped immensely. Then there's the taping policy, their early touring, they seemed to do it exactly right. That's one of the things I love about their story.

Yeah, time went on, the Internet happened, social media happened, and the management team got completely clueless. But they were pretty great at the start.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by Dramageek

They actually seemed to have a great plan in place when Cap$haw initially started working with them. Him giving the band weekly shows at Trax and Flood Zone helped immensely. Then there's the taping policy, their early touring, they seemed to do it exactly right. That's one of the things I love about their story.

Yeah, time went on, the Internet happened, social media happened, and the management team got completely clueless. But they were pretty great at the start.

.. was trying to figure out what having your wit go bankrupt had to do with DMB's management team for a second before I saw the line

[#41Tom]

Originally Posted by KevinTH

Either way, they met, they meshed, they got famous and now here we are talking about them day after day. Being the fan I am, I'd say we all won the lottery, as I don't know what life would be like without their incredible music in it.

This is bang on. We won so big!! So much music and so many good memories

[misschung]

Originally Posted by Dramageek

Yeah, time went on, the Internet happened, social media happened, and the management team got completely clueless. But they were pretty great at the start.

I don't really know much about the band's management, if any of you could shed some light on it. Was there much changeover throughout their career or was it just that they got lazy?

[Szat]

Depending on what your definition of sucess is, I think Dave and Carter would have had life long careers. Dave alone is still one of the best singer / songwriters today. Sucess would have found him.

[Hilly]

I think we can agree that we'd all prefer misleading shtick, passive aggressiveness, or whatever your perceived grievance with his twitter account is over a thousand voting retweets.

[bowa36]

Originally Posted by Hilly

I think we can agree that we'd all prefer misleading shtick, passive aggressiveness, or whatever your perceived grievance with his twitter account is over a thousand voting retweets.

Thanks for this post

[RSSR]

Originally Posted by bowa36

Thanks for this post

He makes a point, this site has no problem denigrating other people that make this fanbase, but as soon as someone puts up a mirror for Ants to look at itself, boy, they are ball washers or they somehow work for musictoday or the Warehouse or what have you.

[Cryfreedom09]

I love how RSSR always has to remind everyone to take a step back and realize how amazing Hilly really is

[bowa36]

Originally Posted by RSSR

He makes a point, this site has no problem denigrating other people that make this fanbase, but as soon as someone puts up a mirror for Ants to look at itself, boy, they are ball washers or they somehow work for musictoday or the Warehouse or what have you.

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[crashintonickdm]

RSSR is hillys coffee boy

[Cryfreedom09]

Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

RSSR is hillys coffee boy

[RainDog1980]

Did Stefan post something that sparked the success convo? Or anything of note that got this thread going? I'm not on Twitter.

[bartender_man]

Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

RSSR is hillys coffee boy

[bartender_man]

Originally Posted by RainDog1980

Did Stefan post something that sparked the success convo? Or anything of note that got this thread going? I'm not on Twitter.

Fonz was just being a douche again. Nothing new.

[mHeiser92]

Refreshed my Twitter feed earlier today and it was nothing but retweets of people voting early/vote stickers/ sucking Stefans dick. Tons of them. Nice to see he's keeping busy by reposting mindless shit all day during his downtime

[BotheLaneFan]

Originally Posted by #41Tom

Boyd and probably Carter would have made it big regardless

Boyd no chance. Carter would have already had his best gig on BET Jazz. He's an amazing drummer, but the world is full of them (including many no one has ever heard of.)

Dave is a big maybe. He needed the band to grow into the artist he became. He no longer needs them, but I hope it all stays together.

[RSSR]

^
I liked you when you were BoTheKyleLanleyFan.

[BotheLaneFan]

Lyle Lanley, you mean?