The tape for DMB's 1st show ever on 3/14/91 found by Stefan!

[TwoStone41]

Originally Posted by AmazonRob

Regardless of true date or not, i think it would be a great treat to the fans if Stefan offered up that 1991 tape as a free download to fans. The quality is probably quite shitty, so nostalgia would be the reason most people would want to hear it in the first place. I doubt DMB's management would allow something like that to happen, but even greedy Metallica offers their oldest shows for free on LiveMetallica.com!

Why is everyone convinced that the only things that could happen with this tape are:

A. Stefan or DMB management refuses to release it
B. It's released as a non-free download or CD

The band freely encourages trading. Just because this tape was made by a band member doesn't mean it's necessarily going to be treated any differently. I'm not saying it will ever come out, just that I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Stefan get it out there for free.

[theyesthman]

i want the tape!

[OneSweetMonkey]

Originally Posted by TwoStone41

Why is everyone convinced that the only things that could happen with this tape are:

A. Stefan or DMB management refuses to release it
B. It's released as a non-free download or CD

The band freely encourages trading. Just because this tape was made by a band member doesn't mean it's necessarily going to be treated any differently. I'm not saying it will ever come out, just that I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Stefan get it out there for free.

I'm not saying he won't do it, but the only way this will happen is if Fonz gets the ball rolling and makes it public. I'm pretty sure that he has TONS of videos from back in the day, and has never done anything about getting those into the hands of the fans.

I really hope he does, though. If this is in fact what he says it is, it's an amazing collectors item for fans.

[thehammer316]

Originally Posted by Prime Minister

Both of you need to get on my sac!

Nope, it's warm its fuzzy

[Jake]

Originally Posted by Trippingchris

I agree, but I'm disappointed in the way his posts are in this thread, as a moderator. They come off as a defensive "yeah but" kind of way and are in no way, classy. I would have expected a bit more openness to the idea waiting for the facts instead.

BTW, I'm not attacking him, just expressing an opinion. And maybe that's all he was trying to do, but often with written word, the way something is meant can be lost.

I'm an Admin, not a mod.

[Nexx]

Originally Posted by OneSweetMonkey

I'm not saying he won't do it, but the only way this will happen is if Fonz gets the ball rolling and makes it public. I'm pretty sure that he has TONS of videos from back in the day, and has never done anything about getting those into the hands of the fans.

I really hope he does, though. If this is in fact what he says it is, it's an amazing collectors item for fans.

I hope that when all is said and done with this band, they share with us everything they know that we don't. all their dates and setlists, release some old demos, etc... and I'm sure they will.

[ZjR326]

Cool find, I'd love to hear this if only to hear their first show.

[Trippingchris]

Originally Posted by TwoStone41

Why is everyone convinced that the only things that could happen with this tape are:

A. Stefan or DMB management refuses to release it
B. It's released as a non-free download or CD

The band freely encourages trading. Just because this tape was made by a band member doesn't mean it's necessarily going to be treated any differently. I'm not saying it will ever come out, just that I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Stefan get it out there for free.

You're reasons have not been the content of the thread. In fact, you posted within 2 hours of the originator's comment about what they thought the band/management should do. Which we all know is just an opinion from one.

I'd also go out on a limb to say while the band freely allows tapers, no one who is visible within the community has an available tape to disperse, otherwise we would have heard it and today would never have happened.

[TwoStone41]

Originally Posted by Trippingchris

You're reasons have not been the content of the thread. In fact, you posted within 2 hours of the originator's comment about what they thought the band/management should do. Which we all know is just an opinion from one.

The poll on the front page seems to indicate that the only way the tape is coming out is if the band releases it and charges for it.

[crashintonickdm]

ill believe a band member before somebody who runs a fan site.

just sayin...

[OneSweetMonkey]

Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

ill believe a band member before somebody who runs a fan site.

just sayin...

People keep saying that. And given the comments made explaining why they may want to listen to someone who runs a fan site, they still insist that if a Band member claims it, there should be no doubt whatsoever.

I don't get it. Because, again... up until this point the Band has even been claiming 4.20.91 as their first show. This means that, aside from Fonz, Band members and management have completely forgotten about/disregarded 3.14.91 as the first true dMb show.

[ZackR]

Originally Posted by OneSweetMonkey

People keep saying that. And given the comments made explaining why they may want to listen to someone who runs a fan site, they still insist that if a Band member claims it, there should be no doubt whatsoever.

I don't get it. Because, again... up until this point the Band has even been claiming 4.20.91 as their first show. This means that, aside from Fonz, Band members and management have completely forgotten about/disregarded 3.14.91 as the first true dMb show.

Since Stefan mentioned himself, Dave, Carter and Roi, maybe they officially considered 4/20/91 as the first because it was the first with the five of them.

Just a thought.

[TwoStone41]

Originally Posted by ZackR

Since Stefan mentioned himself, Dave, Carter and Roi, maybe they officially considered 4/20/91 as the first because it was the first with the five of them.

Just a thought.

Or, more likely, they claimed 4/20/91 was the first since they didn't really remember and that's what everybody told them it was. I just don't think we can trust anybody's memory on this. Band members, club owners, benefit organizers, management, people who run fan sites, etc. It's all circumstantial and hearsay.

If Stefan found a tape of an older show (assuming it's properly dated and stuff like that), that's concrete proof that 4/20 was not their first show. There's not any solid proof that 4/20 was the first, so I'm not adamantly holding onto it like some people seem to be simply because "that's what we've always thought."

[OneSweetMonkey]

Originally Posted by ZackR

Since Stefan mentioned himself, Dave, Carter and Roi, maybe they officially considered 4/20/91 as the first because it was the first with the five of them.

Just a thought.

I've thought about this, and it is a valid point. And just to be clear, I do believe that Fonz is in posession of the first dMb show, and that show more than likely was on 3.14.91. All I'm saying is that there is enough reason to not know 100%, and this topic can justifiably stay open for debate.

This will probably be much easier to varify if archvists and seasoned show collectors could actually listen to what Fonz has found.

[thehammer316]

Originally Posted by thehammer316

Nope, it's warm its fuzzy

Originally Posted by ZackR

Since Stefan mentioned himself, Dave, Carter and Roi, maybe they officially considered 4/20/91 as the first because it was the first with the five of them.

Just a thought.

It brings into question if the Original 5 is when the band came to be. Otherwise the new date is just a gig with 4 guys liking to play music together.

[OneSweetMonkey]

Originally Posted by thehammer316

It brings into question if the Original 5 is when the band came to be. Otherwise the new date is just a gig with 4 guys liking to play music together.

I would still consider it to be the Band's first show. They were playing original dMb music together in public. If you don't count this show because Boyd wasn't there, than you can't really count any shows where he was missing before he became a true member of dMb.

[JCpatriot66]

Originally Posted by ZackR

Since Stefan mentioned himself, Dave, Carter and Roi, maybe they officially considered 4/20/91 as the first because it was the first with the five of them.

Just a thought.

That's what I've been thinking. Plus, wasn't it Boyd who actually named them the Dave Matthews Band when someone asked? They weren't even called DMB before that point, so Boyd has to be there. So I can see the reasoning behind 4/20 being the first show as DMB...but not the first show played period.

[thehammer316]

Personally, if BT wasn't there, it's not complete. Maybe that's why this hasnt been the bands first show for 20 years??

[Toy Soldier]

Instead of picking whether to trust Jake or Stefan in this situation, I am going to trust both of them.

Originally Posted by Jake

Until we hear the tape, we must take Stefan at his word; the first show from Dave Matthews Band was March 14, 1991 at Trax. They opened with Typical Situation.

http://www.antsmarching.org/columns/...hp?columnid=75

[TwoStone41]

Originally Posted by thehammer316

It brings into question if the Original 5 is when the band came to be. Otherwise the new date is just a gig with 4 guys liking to play music together.

Except those 4 guys played several gigs before Boyd joined, making them the original 4. If you're going to wait until Boyd joined to start counting them, you have to wait for Peter too.

[TwoStone41]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Instead of picking whether to trust Jake or Stefan in this situation, I am going to trust both of them.



http://www.antsmarching.org/columns/...hp?columnid=75

Yeah yeah, we all know Jake wrote an article about it. Except he takes every opportunity he can to imply he doesn't really believe Stefan, or at least doesn't want to.

[OneSweetMonkey]

Originally Posted by thehammer316

Personally, if BT wasn't there, it's not complete. Maybe that's why this hasnt been the bands first show for 20 years??

There is at least one other show in circulation that doesn't have BT performing with them. 1991 and 1992 have a LOT of holes in it when it comes to being archived. You have to consider that, even though he was a "guest" with them QUITE often, there are probably a good handful of shows where BT wasn't actually performing with them.

Don't get me wrong, I understand your logic. It isn't "complete" without BT being there. He's Boyd! But the fact remains that there was a time when he was not a memeber of dMb. So, given your logic, we really shouldn't even start counting them as true "dMb" shows until after May of 1992?

[Jhams]

4/20 wooooo!

[OneSweetMonkey]

Originally Posted by Jhams

4/20 wooooo!

aaaaand /Thread

[willndmb]

Originally Posted by crashintonickdm

ill believe a band member before somebody who runs a fan site.

just sayin...

me too
mostly because in this case stefan himself recorded it
thus he prob wrote the date on the case within a day or so

unlike the situation where someone else said oh hear is the first show you guys did and here is the date
i would question that much more

as for purchasing it - i would because its the first show
you got to have the first show, rois last, the bands last

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by TwoStone41

The poll on the front page seems to indicate that the only way the tape is coming out is if the band releases it and charges for it.

The poll does not indicate that. The poll question is, "Would you purchase the first DMB show, 3/14/91?"

The poll is simply asking if you would purchase it or not. It in no way implies that the only way this tape is coming out is if the band releases it.

The poll could have also said, "Would you purchase the Wrigley shows from 2010?" That poll question would in now way imply that the Wrigley shows were being released either.

[vaxarado]

Originally Posted by thehammer316

Personally, if BT wasn't there, it's not complete. Maybe that's why this hasnt been the bands first show for 20 years??

Also, they weren't named until the Earth Day show so I think its getting to a point of whether you want to go along with it or not.

[TwoStone41]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The poll does not indicate that. The poll question is, "Would you purchase the first DMB show, 3/14/91?"

The poll is simply asking if you would purchase it or not. It in no way implies that the only way this tape is coming out is if the band releases it.

The poll could have also said, "Would you purchase the Wrigley shows from 2010?" That poll question would in now way imply that the Wrigley shows were being released either.

It's not the question that's the problem. It's the options. Yes, I'd purchase it (because I want to hear it no matter what) or, no, I'm not interested (because I'm not a "true fan!"). How about one for "No, I wouldn't buy it because it would be an obvious money grab by the band and/or management, but I am still very interested in hearing it and I hope it gets distributed anyway."

[TwoStone41]

Originally Posted by vaxarado

Also, they weren't named until the Earth Day show so I think its getting to a point of whether you want to go along with it or not.

Are we sure about that? That's anecdotal information as well, just like the long-held thought that 4/20 was the first show.

[thehammer316]

Originally Posted by TwoStone41

Except those 4 guys played several gigs before Boyd joined, making them the original 4. If you're going to wait until Boyd joined to start counting them, you have to wait for Peter too.

Peter has never been an original member....to me at least

Originally Posted by OneSweetMonkey

There is at least one other show in circulation that doesn't have BT performing with them. 1991 and 1992 have a LOT of holes in it when it comes to being archived. You have to consider that, even though he was a "guest" with them QUITE often, there are probably a good handful of shows where BT wasn't actually performing with them.

Don't get me wrong, I understand your logic. It isn't "complete" without BT being there. He's Boyd! But the fact remains that there was a time when he was not a memeber of dMb. So, given your logic, we really shouldn't even start counting them as true "dMb" shows until after May of 1992?

I suppose you have a good point that shows a flaw in my argument. I don't know what to think until the tape is heard. No way managemement is holding it under wraps. This is the most, if not one the most fan-friendly groups going of our lifetime.

Not that I have faith in AM.org, but I agree with Jake. Until the tape comes out we really don't know. It could be a demo tape. I don't doubt Stefan, but why did it become an issue for him to dig this deep? I definitely have an open mind. I definitely have faith that if anyone gets it right, it will be the AM.org crew.

Is it not funny to anyone that out of all the people associated with the band; past and present, why has this not Bren brought up before?