Does Alpine deserve better shows than the rest of the tour?

[mthawk07]

In the sense that they know more of the long time/hardcore fans will travel from afar to be there, they might play more deep cuts. But every venue should have equal footing as far as show quality is concerned.

[Szat]

Two day weekend, premier historical stop on the tour. It will get a good show, hopefully add a few songs to the rotation.

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[JohnnyMcCormick]

In a day and age where anyone can tune in and listen to pretty much any show via periscope I donf give a fuck who gets a better show I just hope DMB stops being so uninteresting.

So yes I hope alpine gets the best fucking show ever this weekend so I can listen at home and then download it next week. I'll take them playing a good show anywhere over the repitive shit theyve been playing. Can't even be fucked to listen to the streams anymore.....meh.

[DMBZeppelin]

Yes.

The largest hardcore turnouts are at Alpine, SPAC, and Gorge. You lay eggs there and who's coming back in 2018?

[Dannyyankou]

Well, um...

[TheLastPig]

Originally Posted by DMBZeppelin

Yes.

The largest hardcore turnouts are at Alpine, SPAC, and Gorge. You lay eggs there and who's coming back in 2018?

Dave is standing over the nest squatting as we speak.

[Viper21]

Originally Posted by Dannyyankou

Well, um...

my thoughts exactly lol

[Musicology200]

Yes, of course it does.

[blaise34]

Originally Posted by Musicology200

Yes, of course it does.

:facepalm
Looks like Alpine is just as crash and burn as every other show so far. But I'm sure Dodo or Two Step will drop tonight and everyone will lose their minds and say , "See, Alpine! Omg!"
There's hardcore fans at every show, not just the big stops. Not everyone can afford to the time or money to get to Gorge or bumblefuck Wisconsin

[Musicology200]

Yes, of course it does.

[patdeegan]

Last night ooks like a really good show, to be honest. I know many of the songs have been repetitive throughout this tour -- but many of those also are some of the band's best songs, i.e., Warehouse, WWYS, etc. Plus Lie in and Typical are two of the band's best songs, nice to see them both show up again.

I agree with those who say that EVERY venue deserves a special (or unique, or solid, however you want to call it) set and setlist. Having said that, it's clear that the BAND places special emphasis on some venues: Alpine, SPAC, Gorge, especially. And obviously the band has played dozens and dozens of times there, and the fans really do flock to those shows.

[KevinTH]

Originally Posted by Benny003

Alpine doesn't get great shows simply because it's called Alpine. They tend to get better shows because the venue and the crowd inspires them to produce better shows. It's sort of a chicken or the egg thing, should the performers be expected to bring out the best in the audience or should the audience be expected to bring out the best in the performers? I think it's more symbiotic and they both play off each other. Alpine happens to produce a stronger symbiotic effect than a lot of other venues, thus better shows typically get produced there. So no, Alpine in itself doesn't deserve better shows, but the effect that happens there produces them regardless of whether it's "deserved" or not. Asking if it's deserved is the wrong question. The right question is, "why does Alpine typically produce better shows than most other venues?"

is it really though? I don't get paid millions of dollars a year to bring the best out in a performer I've paid to see. It's a magical thing to be at a show in which the performers and the crowd clearly have an energy, but it certainly isn't my job to do so. I used to perform for many years and there's a lot of factors that are at play. Venue, band energy and overall crowd mood to name a few. You hope the crowd is up for a good time, and sometimes no matter how hard you try the energy just isn't there. If the band is firing on all cylinders and are showing their love of performing, as a performer you hope that will be infectious. But it is definitely up to the band to bring it. That's most usually where it starts. If the crowd is ready to go and you're giving them what they want then you're usually in for a great time.

To answer the actual question, I don't see any issue with a band bringing it a little harder at a venue they know will deliver a strong energy. Like someone else said, there's a difference in playing Alpine, a venue people travel to and consider one of the best venues to see a show, on 4th of July weekend and seeing them play at Blossom on a Tuesday or Wednesday night. The DMB fans have aged for one, and most of us have steady jobs and families these days, so your more energetic crowds are most likely going to be on the weekends. I don't think it's any surprise that weekend shows tend to have a bit more energy to them versus a show 13 years ago on a Tuesday when a lot of us were in college and on summer break. I do think DMB should bring their A-game to every show they play, because quite frankly they're paid handsomely to do so, but as a performer it's pretty special when you catch lighting in a bottle from time to time and, between the crowd and the band, everything's just right.

[bamadavefan15]

I understand the energy aspect, but if they band would put on a great show even at the one night venues during the week, I'd consider going. But they don't.

With Phish, they've been killing it night in night out. One night stands aren't any worse than 2 night stands. That's pretty cool I think.

[martindcx1e]

Yes, of course it does. Alpine > SPAC

[KevinTH]

Originally Posted by bamadavefan15

I understand the energy aspect, but if they band would put on a great show even at the one night venues during the week, I'd consider going. But they don't.

With Phish, they've been killing it night in night out. One night stands aren't any worse than 2 night stands. That's pretty cool I think.

I think this points to the band playing less shows each year. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Phish only play a handful of shows each summer? Maybe 20 or less? I'd be cool with DMB coming back in 2018 and just playing the big stops on the weekends.

[ben a]

Originally Posted by AlexK79

This video is a good example of why the band seems to 'bring it' harder at Alpine than most venues:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNEYdLxT2-c

Listen to the sheer force and volume with which the crowd sings along with every word. Now yes, #41 is a fan favorite and people sing along at any venue of course, but here it's to the point where it's almost drowning out the band. Dave's reaction at 1:16 says it all. When a crowd feeds you that kind of energy and enthusiasm, it's hard NOT to take your own energy up another level in response.

I got chills. Awesome video! I have a new found appreciation for #41 this tour.

[DMBFanWI418]

This year? Yes.

Ditto. And I'm not even going.

[Mickey Carson]

Originally Posted by lockman21

Yup.

Do fans that attend a Bulls/Knicks playoff game in 1996 deserve to see a better performance from MJ than those that saw a regular season game against the Bucks?

No, but it typically worked out that way. Performers elevate based on the circumstances.

This is one of the better analogies I've seen regarding all of these venue arguments that inevitably happen each year. Well said.

[DMBFanWI418]

This is a rad setlist tonight!

[TwoStep2888]

sure yes ok

[illinifan]

Like me and Lockman said days ago. Deserves?? No. But they sure as shit brought down fire tonight !! So make it what you will.

[Dannyyankou]

Glad Alpine got a good N2. Dallas and Riverbend are still tied for the best shows of the tour I think.

[Szat]

They sure did, busted that door wide open tonight!!

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[ELeeDMBfan]

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but alpine is twice the capacity as most venues they play... 3x some of the smaller ones...

[Dannyyankou]

Originally Posted by ELeeDMBfan

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but alpine is twice the capacity as most venues they play... 3x some of the smaller ones...

Yeah they still pulled 41k last year which is ok.

[Tomriddle]

No. What? No, of course not.

[laststopdmb]

FRUSTRATION POST: I am very happy for the folks who went to Alpine this year, however this infuriates me beyond words. I have spent so much of my hard earned money on this band since I was in high school traveling and what have you. As I mentioned in a post somewhere else, I have seen them 6 times this year already and I have three to go. Though, I have had a great time at all the shows this year, I will say that Camden, night two, setlist wise, was the biggest drag, BUT I still had fun. Sure, maybe I am a hypocrite in a way. I try to go in with zero expectations. After all, DMB is still my favorite band, and I really do enjoy every song they perform. With that said, when someone like me, travels around as much as I do, I would hope for at least somewhat of a variation of songs from previous shows. It doesn't have to be an entire show of crazy rarities, but one or two per show would be nice. With this night 2, and night 1, set at Alpine, it makes me wonder, does the band Hate playing songs like Grace, Everyday, Bartender, So Right, IDOY, Two Step? Because of the reputation of Alpine, I would have totally understood if they just played Bartender and Two Step to debut because it's such a special venue, but since they busted out others that have been played once or twice all Summer, makes me wonder why...Why? The shows played from 6/7 - 6/22, only one show, Hartford is the only one with a slightly changed setlist from all all the others. Why couldn't So Right, Everyday, IDOY, Everyday, Mercy even, Hell any of the other songs only performed once this year make an appearance from time to time in these lack of creative setlists written? It absolutely blows my mind and makes me angry. I wouldn't even mind if they through in an Out of My Hands or a Dreamgirl, even Fool to Think, because it's something different then the same damn songs over and over again. It's a surprise rather than them playing One Sweet World, WTWE, Minarets, Seven, Squirm, Crash, BEF > Bismark to open the first four songs of almost every damn show this Summer. (Alpine Night 1 is the only one not to have one of these songs in the first four song slots if I am not mistaken) The start of the tour was amazing with setlist variation and now it seems they just don't care, minus Alpine of course. My hope is that Alpine starts the trend of more variation during the home stretch of this tour. Will the band start adding Grace, Everyday, So Right, etc..into the mix for the remainder of the tour, or is it going to go straight back to Mansfield 2016 sets until the next two night stand. I'm thankful I have Tampa & WPB left as those shows have been very good the last few years, but, DAMN, this is the first year I feel disappointed in my favorite band. I feel bad for other fans like me who spend tons of their hard earned money. Big ups to all you Alpiners. I am beyond jealous of what you witnessed the last two nights. Feel free to bash my opinion, but I know I can't be the only one to feel this way. Maybe, I go to too many shows each Summer, and I probrably will continue to in 2018. I wish I could ask a member of the band, why they can't make everyone happy and do no repeats every 3 shows. That's all, thanks for listening.

[Rodey]

No one deserves anything.

Just because you pay to get a ticket to Alpine, or any other venue, doesn't mean you're entitled to getting what you want. Still, the fact of the matter is, venues like Alpine, Gorge, SPAC (amongst a handful of others) typically get good shows because they're two-night stands and because that's just how it has gone down over time.

[Dannyyankou]

Originally Posted by laststopdmb

FRUSTRATION POST: I am very happy for the folks who went to Alpine this year, however this infuriates me beyond words. I have spent so much of my hard earned money on this band since I was in high school traveling and what have you. As I mentioned in a post somewhere else, I have seen them 6 times this year already and I have three to go. Though, I have had a great time at all the shows this year, I will say that Camden, night two, setlist wise, was the biggest drag, BUT I still had fun. Sure, maybe I am a hypocrite in a way. I try to go in with zero expectations. After all, DMB is still my favorite band, and I really do enjoy every song they perform. With that said, when someone like me, travels around as much as I do, I would hope for at least somewhat of a variation of songs from previous shows. It doesn't have to be an entire show of crazy rarities, but one or two per show would be nice. With this night 2, and night 1, set at Alpine, it makes me wonder, does the band Hate playing songs like Grace, Everyday, Bartender, So Right, IDOY, Two Step? Because of the reputation of Alpine, I would have totally understood if they just played Bartender and Two Step to debut because it's such a special venue, but since they busted out others that have been played once or twice all Summer, makes me wonder why...Why? The shows played from 6/7 - 6/22, only one show, Hartford is the only one with a slightly changed setlist from all all the others. Why couldn't So Right, Everyday, IDOY, Everyday, Mercy even, Hell any of the other songs only performed once this year make an appearance from time to time in these lack of creative setlists written? It absolutely blows my mind and makes me angry. I wouldn't even mind if they through in an Out of My Hands or a Dreamgirl, even Fool to Think, because it's something different then the same damn songs over and over again. It's a surprise rather than them playing One Sweet World, WTWE, Minarets, Seven, Squirm, Crash, BEF > Bismark to open the first four songs of almost every damn show this Summer. (Alpine Night 1 is the only one not to have one of these songs in the first four song slots if I am not mistaken) The start of the tour was amazing with setlist variation and now it seems they just don't care, minus Alpine of course. My hope is that Alpine starts the trend of more variation during the home stretch of this tour. Will the band start adding Grace, Everyday, So Right, etc..into the mix for the remainder of the tour, or is it going to go straight back to Mansfield 2016 sets until the next two night stand. I'm thankful I have Tampa & WPB left as those shows have been very good the last few years, but, DAMN, this is the first year I feel disappointed in my favorite band. I feel bad for other fans like me who spend tons of their hard earned money. Big ups to all you Alpiners. I am beyond jealous of what you witnessed the last two nights. Feel free to bash my opinion, but I know I can't be the only one to feel this way. Maybe, I go to too many shows each Summer, and I probrably will continue to in 2018. I wish I could ask a member of the band, why they can't make everyone happy and do no repeats every 3 shows. That's all, thanks for listening.

Dude, line breaks please

[laststopdmb]

Originally Posted by Dannyyankou

Dude, line breaks please

FRUSTRATION POST: I am very happy for the folks who went to Alpine this

year, however this infuriates me beyond words. I have spent so much of my

hard earned money on this band since I was in high school traveling and

what have you. As I mentioned in a post somewhere else, I have seen them

6 times this year already and I have three to go. Though, I have had a great

time at all the shows this year, I will say that Camden, night two, setlist

wise, was the biggest drag, BUT I still had fun. Sure, maybe I am a

hypocrite in a way. I try to go in with zero expectations. After all, DMB is

still my favorite band, and I really do enjoy every song they perform. With

that said, when someone like me, travels around as much as I do, I would

hope for at least somewhat of a variation of songs from previous shows. It

doesn't have to be an entire show of crazy rarities, but one or two per show

would be nice. With this night 2, and night 1, set at Alpine, it makes me

wonder, does the band Hate playing songs like Grace, Everyday, Bartender,

So Right, IDOY, Two Step? Because of the reputation of Alpine, I would have

totally understood if they just played Bartender and Two Step to debut

because it's such a special venue, but since they busted out others that have

been played once or twice all Summer, makes me wonder why...Why? The

shows played from 6/7 - 6/22, only one show, Hartford is the only one with a

slightly changed setlist from all all the others. Why couldn't So Right,

Everyday, IDOY, Everyday, Mercy even, Hell any of the other songs only

performed once this year make an appearance from time to time in these

lack of creative setlists written? It absolutely blows my mind and makes me

angry. I wouldn't even mind if they through in an Out of My Hands or a

Dreamgirl, even Fool to Think, because it's something different then the

same damn songs over and over again. It's a surprise rather than them

playing One Sweet World, WTWE, Minarets, Seven, Squirm, Crash, BEF >

Bismark to open the first four songs of almost every damn show this

Summer. (Alpine Night 1 is the only one not to have one of these songs in

the first four song slots if I am not mistaken) The start of the tour was

amazing with setlist variation and now it seems they just don't care, minus

Alpine of course. My hope is that Alpine starts the trend of more variation

during the home stretch of this tour. Will the band start adding Grace,

Everyday, So Right, etc..into the mix for the remainder of the tour, or is it

going to go straight back to Mansfield 2016 sets until the next two night

stand. I'm thankful I have Tampa & WPB left as those shows have been very

good the last few years, but, DAMN, this is the first year I feel disappointed

in my favorite band. I feel bad for other fans like me who spend tons of their

hard earned money. Big ups to all you Alpiners. I am beyond jealous of what

you witnessed the last two nights. Feel free to bash my opinion, but I know I

can't be the only one to feel this way. Maybe, I go to too many shows each

Summer, and I probrably will continue to in 2018. I wish I could ask a

member of the band, why they can't make everyone happy and do no

repeats every 3 shows. That's all, thanks for listening.
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