Proof Of The New Theory: Unreleased Songs IS The Album
I have come to realize that there are now TONS of indications pointing toward the possibility that the new album is an album of unreleased songs in the DMB catalog. I think it would be interesting if we compiled a list of all of these tips and hints that could support this theory, looking back from this point in time. I definitely think topic of discussion warrants a new thread. Hear me out.
Allow me to start with some of the things that come to my mind (please correct me if any of these are factually incorrect): * It is widely understood that the band did not enter the studio before January 2012. Based on the recent past, the preferred writing environment for DMB has been as a group in the studio (versus Dave writing entire DMB songs on his own in his house). Thus, it appears to be a safe assumption that very little new material was written before January 2012. * Rashawn's new video indicates that ALL of the horn parts have been recorded, are finished, and were laid down in just 6 hours. The band entered the studio around 5 weeks ago. If we assume that they didn't write much material before January 2012, that gives them 5 weeks to be very far in the writing and recording process. Compare that to the Big Whiskey sessions, which lasted over multiple years. (video link: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=3294899781819) * Stefan and Lillywhite's activity on Twitter seem to indicate that the full band is not grinding it out 24/7 in the studio every day. Stefan seems to be out and about in the Seattle area quite a bit, and Lillywhite posted "no band in today... just me and the new tunes !!" on Jan 28. This jives with what Rashwan indicated in the video regarding the horn parts already being done. * At this stage in their careers, DMB members are likely not going to want to put out subpar work. More so, Steve Lillywhite is not going to want to put out subpar work. This is not going to be another Everday, where it was recorded in half an hour, or something of the likes. It seems unlikely that they would write and record an entire album's worth of new material in such a short amount of time, given these points. However, recording an entire album's worth of new material in 5 weeks for a quality album sounds about right if you already have the songs written. * At the end of the 2011 NYC Caravan, Dave commented that there will be new music next year. While Dave's words shouldn't be taken too literally because he is Dave, this does imply that he was expecting to return to play new material in the 2012 album year. While this could mean a lot of things, it does support the theory that an album would be released before the 2012 summer tour. It is impossible to release an album unless it has been recorded in full several months in advance. * DMB is at a point in time where they have accumulated a great deal of quality unreleased songs. It would make sense at this point in their careers to release an album consisting of such songs. They have a wide selection to choose from. Why not bring back a quality producer and make a good album out of their written work? DMB also knows which of those songs are loved and more well received than others. * DMB has toyed with and unearthed many of these unreleased songs in 2010 and in 2011. Think about it...Sugar Will, Idea Of You, Joyride, Kill The King, Break Free, Shotgun, Good Good Time, Sweet Up And Down, etc. were all played in 2010 and 2011. Even Granny received a ton of plays in 2012, relatively speaking. Anybody else got anything to add to that to fuel this theory? |
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If the new album is merely a collection of old songs, I will be thoroughly disappointed.
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I think all of your facts are for the most part are correct. However, I think there has been work done on this album at some level before they got together in January which makes me think this will be almost all new music with the chance of a few road tested songs added. There was just way too much downtime last year for a group of creative people that have spent the last 20 years on the road to just sit around and not do something. We know from SL's tweets that he has been writting music from the time the last caravan ended. Wouldn't surprise me if Dave hasn't been writting music also. Of course just my opinion and based of zero facts.
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My own personal opinion is they had a rough draft of the songs going on the album and we just didn't know about it. By the time dave told everyone new music is coming out at the caravan, im sure many of the songs had at least a shell to work with. I don't think they went in the studio Jan 1st with blackjack and came out with a full album of new tunes.
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I thought that Blackjack originated in studio sessions from 2007...not 100% sure on that but I remember reading it somewhere.
EDIT: http://www.antsmarching.org/tour/Vie...hp?ShowID=4094 It was this studio sessions. |
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Let them put out new songs next year. |
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Anyone else remember DMB not touring last summer? News songs could have easily been written then.
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I don't think anything will be definitive "proof" until we get the tracklisting.
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None of this was convincing.
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I said the same thing when I saw songs like Break Free and Kill the King make comebacks.
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He also tweeted this back in October 2008. "I think it's cool to have tunes that are only live. Maybe we could make an album called live not live. Not today though. I'm busy." I know it's a stretch, but it gives hope to the idea that he would consider doing what the OP is suggesting.
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at this point in their careers, i don't see DMB bringing in Lillywhite just to produce a bunch of old songs (yes, I know that's what the first two albums were). There's enough other producer-types in DMB's orbit who can produce songs that have been tried and tested.
i still want to know what happened to the studio Sugar Will that was recorded in Vegas, shown on the Big Whisky documentary. |
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While I would prefer new tunes, I'd take an album of rehashed songs because we know their quality and would cause for better setlists IMO. With the new album, we just don't know what we might be getting.
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I'm not familiar with a lot of these unreleased songs. I have heard Kill the King and I really like that one. I've always skipped Blackjack and those type of songs because of the bad reviews they've earned on this forum. So if those kind of songs are on the album... I don't know. Sounds like it would be an album full of songs that weren't good enough to be on Big Whiskey. An album of Big Whiskey reject songs. Maybe not a Big 3 level album, but definitely worthy of Bottom 3 status.
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With the apparent speed with which they're working, I've got to think that at least parts of stuff we've heard before will be on the record.
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It's important to remember that Dave had a ton of time off in 2011. He commented at Randall's that they hoped to be back with new songs in 2012, so it's certainly reasonable to assume that a good portion of that time involved writing music. Once Lillywhite got back into the picture (probably sometime around November if the D&T show in NYC was a sort of jumping off point for their reunion), I'm sure Dave went into writing mode so he could enter the studio in January with some new ideas ready to go.
I would be very surprised if there aren't any previously road tested songs on the new record (I'd put Shotgun and Blackjack as front runners), but I'm sure we'll get a handful of new tunes as well. That said, if the album looked something like this: 1. Intro 2. Crazy Easy 3. New Song 4. New Song 5. Sweet Up & Down 6. Sugar Will 7. New Song 8. New Song 9. Shotgun 10. New Song 11. New Song 12. Blackjack ...I'd have no problem with it. |
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But I get your point. |
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Me either. I'd sign for that. Stellar selection of old songs and enough new ones mixed in there.
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Iīm going to guess that it is all new music. I donīt know why they would want to record old shit, with the exception of Black Jack.
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Don't they usually do a bonus cd with pre-order? The bonus cd could have some unreleased songs on it as well.
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I think it will either be an album of unreleased songs, which I don't think it will be, or all new songs with maaaaybe 2 previously unreleased ones.
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Like I said, there are too many good shows available to be chasing down subpar performances just for the sake of saying I heard them. |
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I'm just gonna go a head and get this out of the way now, Double album, ftw! 1 old stuff, 1 new stuff. I doubt it will happen, and said it during the lead up to BW, which obviously didn't happen, but since this is all just conjecture I'm throwing it out there.
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Incredible show. Includes Blackjack. |
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OP made A LOT of assumptions. What a stretch ...
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Edit: BTW, Blackjack sucks! |
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I agree, I don't see Lillywhite coming back after a much publicized end to tLWS and then an even more publicized leak of the work that they had done, to simply record old tunes that the band has played for years. On the other hand, Dave did mention in an interview (i believe in Italy?) that Coran Capshaw comes to him from time to time and says "hey what about these songs" in reference to songs they had worked on (and in some cases played live) but never made it to an album. So i think the possibility remains that you could see an old tune or 2...but more than likely, after a year off, the band is more focused on new music, and for the first time with a truely new lineup (i.e. Jeff there to actually help write vs. fill in some parts to finish off BW). |
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There is one LEGITIMATELY strong counter-argument against those who think that it is an album full of new songs: It is highly unlikely that DMB wrote and recorded a full album of new material in 5 weeks. While it could happen, it is very unlikely at this point in time. The fact that Rashawn said that the horn sections are finished and recorded right now is a major red flag.
DMB likes writing songs together these days. Can you honestly tell me that you see Dave writing multiple DMB songs alone in his house, and then telling the rest of the guys that this is the song and this is your part? The band likes to write together, and they like to write in studio. Their songs have too many parts for it to just be Dave alone unless he's writing simple solo songs like Sweet, Sister, etc. |
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So many good shows have Crazy Easy, Good Good Time, Joyride etc.
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I think the album will end up being a mix of both 4-6 old tunes reworked and 4-6 new ones. I just hope the new ones are good and that Crazy Easy is one of the old ones!
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I think it will be all new songs.
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No one is asserting that Dave wrote everyone's parts at home. But the way they used to write (from my limited knowledge) could still hold. He writes guitar and lyrics and presents ideas to the band to either scrap or work on.
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There are some songs I would prefer to just keep live... Some of these songs are special because you can only hear them live and its special to hear that song live and to know it is not played every show to promote the new album. Especially when they start playing a song you never thought you would ever hear.
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This is a band that took 3+ (?) studio sessions to write and record the final material for their last album. This is a band that is well aware that the songs they write will grow and adapt over time. It seems naive to make the assumption that they would be content with an album of new songs at this point in the game, and be ready to almost call it final. ESPECIALLY with Lillywhite's history of "pushing" the band to achieve greatness and not accept mediocre results. Let's look at the flip side, too. Let's say it is all new songs. Are you assured that they are quality songs, knowing that the horn lines were recorded in 6 hours? Listen to BTCS and Lillywhite Sessions and UTTAD again. While yes, you could physically record those parts in 6 hours time, they are perfected, and perfection requires more than 6 hours. ESPECIALLY if you are working with songs that you haven't been familiar with for years. |
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Lillywhite posted "no band in today... just me and the new tunes !!" on Jan 28. and * At the end of the 2011 NYC Caravan, Dave commented that there will be new music next year. Instead of going by what I think or what my opinion is....By going off of those two very specific quotes, "new" is the operable word. Dave wrote 'Sweet' over the break and while that song gets mixed reviews, it shows he's writing. |
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SLessard Stefan Lessard Imagine yourself dancing to something new and something beautiful 7 Feb So yeah, going by those 3 things, 'new' seems to be where the album is headed. And I'm not partisan either, I will be happy with the finished product, whether it be old or new songs. Hit me with a combo. |
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To me, this sounds like Busted Stuff: Mark II. Only this time Lillywhite is producing it, not Harris. Busted Stuff was completed fairly quickly because they had already worked out most of the tunes in the studio and on the road.
I would suspect that if this album is just unreleased songs finally finished, and it goes well with Lillywhite, then a new album with new material with Lillywhite is very plausible. But, Busted Stuff did have 2 new songs on it. So, it could work out like that. We could have an album of mostly unreleased songs with a couple new tunes thrown in. If it does turns out to be Busted Stuff: Mark II with Lillywhite, I still will be giddy as school girl who drank a 2 liter of Mountain Dew. |
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How do you know that has any relevance to what they're doing in the studio? People really jump to conclusions around here.
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prove that it doesn't. it works both ways. |
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I think people are being a little greedy here as well. We should just be thankful that they are in the studio, and that they are with Lillywhite. Also, from Lillywhite's latest 2 twitter pics (A shot of the Space Needle and a guitar pick with a Firedancer on it), that should put to rest any doubt against that they are working in the studio together. |
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Album of existing songs: * We could get a new album by summer 2012! + * It's songs we already know, so not many surprises - * It could be a really quality album + * We could finally get a tour with lots of rarish unreleased songs we like in the rotation + Album of new songs: * If it's good, it probably wouldn't be ready until next year at the earliest. - * It could be even another year, knowing this band. - * It's new material + * The quality of the new songs is more of a question mark. |
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Right now my feelings are this:
1. I find it very unlikely that this album will consist exclusively of brand new material. 2. I find it very unlikely that this album will consist exclusively of new recordings of the unreleased stuff from years past. Its going to be a mixture of the two. Maybe 4 or 5 brand new songs, and 5 or 6 unreleased songs, all blended together into one great album. |
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And what if Rashawn was just full of shit? ;)
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With the amount of press work, promotional material, tv deals for advertising, sports deals and such I doubt this album will be out until the fall. Or later i'd love a October release then a fall tour.
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Am I the only one who thinks that Dave worked his ass off over the past year or so writing new tunes? Am I just being overly hopeful?
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I'm think it's going to be songs that maybe they started in the studio, but never were finished. Revisited! Songs you may not have ever heard.
SBC Soundcheck Gas Into Fire African Funk song in the Stand Up Videos I remember seeing an interview where Dave said that they soundchecked a song that no one ever heard and they nailed it. Then he goes on to say that it was a wonderful song but no one may ever hear it. The point is they have so much material and not to mention probably a lot of takes of Roi. I don't think they would make an album without his recordings, leading me to believe that this will include unreleased songs. Just my 2 cents. |
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Let's also consider that when you have a year off with only the few shows that the band actually played, you don't have to "work your ass off" to write an album's worth of songs in a year. That is a shit ton of free time. I know he was using the time to be with his family but I just have a feeling he did a lot of writing. Dave hasn't had that kind of free time to write music on his own maybe ever in the band's 20 years
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Dave "worked" 28 days last year. Meaning shows. Counting Dave Solo, D&T, and the band. |
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didnt rashawn say when they were gonna go into the studio they had stuff worked up a little bit as far as ideas during the gorge caravan? ...so they have to have some new stuff...
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I don't believe this. Big Whiskey was his send off. They used his parts, the Grux intro and #35 outro. Starting and ending with roi. They're moving on and leaving roi in his glory. Why take cuts of roi that never made an album and try to work songs out of them? This band is extremely talented and creative. They're going to move on and do what sounds good not try to form around Leroi for the rest of their careers. BWATGK was a good way to put roi to rest. I don't think they're going to live their career as a band in the past. They're going to remember roi for who he was and what he did, not pretend he's still there. |
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Anyone who actually thinks they brought Lillywhite in for a B-sides album is out of their fucking mind. Maybe there's a few songs at most that we've heard before and were finished/tinkered with. But there is no doubt the majority of this album is going to be new material. Anyone who thinks because Rashawn tracked in 6 hours means it's all old stuff, just doesn't get the recording process very well. The guy is an accomplished musician, and session playing is probably second nature to him. If they had a creative burst and wrote/brainstormed for 3 weeks, and then he layed down the parts he wrote in quality takes, then yes, it absolutely could take 6 hours.
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My first thought was that it would be old stuff as soon as I saw that Rashawn video.
However, while a large amount of BTCS was written in studio, most of Crash and UTTAD were written and then Stevie came in and completed them. Crash only took 3 months in studio and that was over Christmas. |
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How long did the Lillywhite sessions take to write?
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Oh I know, me too. I've just thought about the idea a lot and you brought up a point so your post was a good way for me to put my .02 in too. :thumbsup |
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I dread blackjack being on this album.
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to the second bolded: it has been done in this band's past multiple times. to the third bolded: exactly, but they might spend 6 weeks in a studio recording b-side albums. a wise man once said you were a jackass. |
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that would definitely explain why dave announced they would play new music in 2012. and you need to look up the definition of "proof"
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Don't you think the "room" they had on the 2010 could have replaced the studio setting... which means they were writing music while on tour for the last few years.
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I think youre straight up wrong. Dave said at one of the Caravans that he hopes to have NEW music next year. Sure maybe there will be one or two oldies but not an ENTIRE album
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I mean big whiskey had no old ones and there were rumblings about there being sugar will etc on the album (which they did record but never made the album) I'd say between the mobile rehearsal studio they had in 2010, the freakin year off and a thing called the internet music was written and collaborated on in the last year or two.... they wouldn't call in lillywhite to rehash can't stop and break free (watch me bite my tongue in 3 months)
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and as far as songwriting last year, hell dave wrote sweet the first night before Chicago, not to say sweet is epic but it kind of was a surprise to see dave was in a writing mood like that when they weren't touring or together the whole year, i tcould have been a sign the creative juices were flowing....we have no clue what he wrote, blackjack came out of nowhere even though it was up to 6 years old, but they worked on it again at some point
the band was in the studio making their next album in 2006 and VERY little was said about this, then all of a sudden the band almost broke up in 07. There have been times we did not know much at all... |
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You guys are just crazy and need to be checked into the crazy house...
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